Why is bashing so bad?

[[5.SS]Strother]

but you can't defend yourself in the game if someone buttsmacks you and makes you stumble which would override your controls.

[Maltodextrin]

One of the biggest issues is the fact that there is actually a very small area where you're actually causing damage, very often you're simply missing by a very small margin. It doesn't really make sense, especially when your target is filling your screen, and stationary, that you could miss from such a range, but having used melee enough, I can easilly pick up when I've missed, or hit, by listening for the sound, or lack therof.

Either the area of effect for the melee should be widened, and lengthened, or some sort of autoaim should be implimented when you're in a no-miss situation, but only for melee and bayos. I mean, honestly, when was the last time you were poking someone with a stick, and stopped just inches short of his head for any reason? Even if he was out of reach, you'd realistically throw your body those extra few inches to get him, especially if your life depended on it!

[[5.SS]Strother]

I always have trouble killing prone guys with melee attacks. Everytime I go to hit them I bounce off them which is SUPER GAY and needs fixed. The only way to melee a prone person effectively is to go prone yourself.

[LordKhaine]

Bayonets are frustrating now certainly. The other day I powered up the bayo and charged a german and stabbed him right in the back. And then he turned around and shot me... go figure. Charging up hits seems like a good idea but it just doesn't seem to work ingame that well right now. That and you have no visual indication of how long you have to hold fire down for a maximum hit.

Originally Posted by [5.SS]Strother

The only way to melee a prone person effectively is to go prone yourself.

haha!, reminds me of the other night. I was under fire facing 3-4 Russians and my MP40 had run dry. So I leaped to the ground right in front of a prone Russian rifleman and smacked him in the face with the mp40 killing him. I laughed and laughed until I cried. lol

[[5.SS]Strother]

I think the only reason why you can hold back your bayonet or buttsmack is not for extra power but its so you can run at someone while having your bayonet ready. So when you run into the guy you let loose your melee attack and you get extra power just from the running.

[Michael Wittmann+]

He is a black belt and could kick your a$$

Mate, was that some sort of a joke? you really don't know me and what I'm capable of.

Look I have been practicing martial arts for the past nine years, I know how to throw a good punch.

ok get angry nothing to do with me is it? Looks like we have one thing in common we both know how the throw a good punch anyway I was joking before, I guess you just used it as an oppurtunity to boast. ok.

Have you ever say hit something with say a bat? You do not have to slowly cock back your arm for 2-3 seconds... if you do that is a sure sign already that you should not be hiting something. The whole process of "bring it back" and then hitting someone should if done with the intent to kill take less than a second. anything else and yuor in for a bad fight.

I have hit someone with a bat and I did take more than a second pulling back because they were looking in the opposite direction. but was I in for a bad fight? NO. why did you say that anyway?
also please understand that swinging a club or a bat is a tottally different from bashing someone with a rifle butt. Think about it or if possible actually get hold of a rifle and try to bash with it. you see?

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by Michael Wittmann+

Mate, was that some sort of a joke? you really don't know me and what I'm capable of.

ok get angry nothing to do with me is it? Looks like we have one thing in common we both know how the throw a good punch anyway I was joking before, I guess you just used it as an oppurtunity to boast. ok.

I have hit someone with a bat and I did take more than a second pulling back because they were looking in the opposite direction. but was I in for a bad fight? NO. why did you say that anyway?
also please understand that swinging a club or a bat is a tottally different from bashing someone with a rifle butt. Think about it or if possible actually get hold of a rifle and try to bash with it. you see?

1. Right...

2. meh

3. holding the bat back longer wouldn't make you hit harder. he was meaning to say that, if you came up to a enemy on the battlefield & paused to charge up an attack the seconds that you would spend doing that would be seconds they would spend putting you on the ground with a smg burst

4. it does not take long to lay down a decent smack with a rifle butt, def not with a bayo.

[GnaM]

Originally Posted by LordKhaine

I was under fire facing 3-4 Russians and my MP40 had run dry. So I leaped to the ground right in front of a prone Russian rifleman and smacked him in the face with the mp40 killing him.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111!1111111111oneone 2929

OK, sorry, but that was hilarious...Especially since MP40's do **** melee damage as it is. Nice job.

[Michael Wittmann+]

The butt smack needs improvement definately. all I use it for at the moment is for knocking weapons from the hands of AFKs in the spawm zone.

[Mr._Kong]

Right like I said.

[Fennel]

If I'm not mistaken, bashing also uses locational damage. I'm able to sometimes run up to someone with only about a quarter second charge and nail them in the forehead for a kill.

The 'charging' issue does strike me as a bit silly, though --- this isn't pro wrestling, flailing your arm and making a 'charging' noise doesn't actually make you hit harder. For further reference do a Google search for a little something called Bruce Lee's 'one inch punch' demonstration.

Nine pounds is a bit of unwieldly weight, sure, but it's not something that takes a good three seconds to pull all the way back. If you beg to differ, think about the way you can also 'charge up' pistolwhips for a second or two --- how long does it take you to lift a pistol up towards head-height in a fight?

Now, one thing that's permissable, of course, is taking a full 'charge' that's about a second and a half or so at full stamina and draw it out when you're just plain out of breath. If you're to the point that you've run and choked yourself of breath, it's going to take a while to swing up that riflebutt.

This is only a personal note for myself, since during the mod days I used to rely upon the M38 and its riflestock religiously for all my Russian do-gooding and now it seems that whenever I'm at close range without a bayonette, I'm perhaps more helpless than fair whenever facing an opponent who DOESN'T KNOW I'M THERE.

Of course, if you want to write in some animation subroutines for throttling someone from behind with the bredth of a riflestock, by all means.

[[5.SS]Strother]

News flash, holding back the gun doesn't charge it. When you hold back your rifle all the way you are acheiving maximum potential energy, look that up if you don't know what it is. But there won't be a big difference between holding it back and just pressing it, maybe a little bit of a difference but not very much.


Now let me make this clear, IT DOES NOT CHARGE YOUR HIT, the only reason you can hold it back is so you can run with it in striking position. When you run you build up momentum and energy (this is real life stuff btw) and then as you near your enemy you swing your rifle at him and a good bit of that momentum and subsequent energy produced from running transfers into the gun or bayonet and then is transfered to the victims face.

If you guys can't understand that, you have NO business playing a realism game.

[Wk~]

Originally Posted by Mr._Kong

Not really talking about swiging, a bat was just something that came to mind win i thought about hiting stuff. Sorry if i was unclear.
And also the kar98 only weighed about 9 pounds. not sure about the mosin.

Kar98 weighed about 4kg, heavy baseball bats weigh about 1/4 of that (~35 oz.).

Either way, I'm not that pleased with the melee system, but I think with some practice you can get good with it. I've noticed that when I'm accurate with a butt-smack I do decent damage (upper area hit), although if your target is moving it becomes a more difficult affair.

[takadi]

Rifle butting has no business being compared to a baseball bat. When swinging a baseball bat, the opposite end is held, and when using a rifle end as a means of melee attack, the butt end is held. Therefore, less force is transmitted and there is less leverage and momentum.

A rifle butt would have to be smashed with complete direct force several times to knock someone out, nonetheless kill someone. Unless hit in the solar plexus area, a person would merely be stunned by a swift blow from a rifle butt. Not only that, the blow would especially have to be administered to weak areas of the body like the head and torso.