Replacing the M14

[Holy_Colt]

Sorry for your inconvenience YFGHNG, however please don't be a hypocrite. You wanted to know why I suggested the weapon, I gave my reasoning. As far as a TL DR comment, don't be childish, I'm going to back my case with hard evidence and that includes a real life comparison. Just as we have a bullpup (L22) in KF it is because it makes sense in the atmosphere of the game.

TL DR warning (All aspects are explained in full)

Shame really, The m14 is fairly over powered to an extent. The stats from the M14 as well as the L1A1 would be almost the same. Its rate of fire, reload rate would be slower, by a tad, however the weapon is well known for its ability to adapt to any ammunition type such as the different grains.

L1A1 Game Stats (general)

Rate of Fire: Slower to 40rpm rather than 60rpm

Reload time: add 20 frames to the reload animations current time

Range: High (Above m14 current)

Damage: (10 hit points above current, including multiplier)

Weight: 6 blocks (1 over current)

Many aspects of this weapon are a tad bit over the top, however I can not prove it because I have never fired a BR in a high adrenaline situation. Dimming the rate of fire would potentially make the user more cautious as well as adding the realism of the actual recoil of the rifle. This weapon has a tendency of bruising shoulders over prolonged periods, yet combat situations tend to null this.

Slowing down the reload time is another simple fact about BRs in general. They use heavy ammo and reloading shouldn't be easier than it should.

The L1A1 has a maximum range of 600m, while the M14 has a range of 460. Even though this is a close quarters game, this fact could have some influence.

The bullet used in the M14 is the same as the L1A1, but the recoil system of the L1 is more advanced thus giving more power behind the cartridge.

The weight aspect is simple. BRs are heavy, and you shouldn't need to carry too many more weapons on top of this.

I will be honest, I'm hoping some of this info is understandable to you, if you do have trouble I am willing to put it in Layman's terms.

[YFGHNG]

Originally Posted by Holy_Colt

Rate of Fire: Slower to 40rpm rather than 60rpm

Reload time: add 20 frames to the reload animations current time

Range: High (Above m14 current)

Damage: (10 hit points above current, including multiplier)

Weight: 6 blocks (1 over current)

Slowing down the reload time is another simple fact about BRs in general. They use heavy ammo and reloading shouldn't be easier than it should.

The L1A1 has a maximum range of 600m, while the M14 has a range of 460. Even though this is a close quarters game, this fact could have some influence.

The bullet used in the M14 is the same as the L1A1, but the recoil system of the L1 is more advanced thus giving more power behind the cartridge.

The weight aspect is simple. BRs are heavy, and you shouldn't need to carry too many more weapons on top of this.

So what I'm getting from this is the L1A1 is basically a miniature crossbow, but with more ammo, correct? The power is greater than the M14, as is the crossbow, the reload time is slower than the M14, as is the crossbow, and it is heaver than the M14, just like the crossbow.

However, given those stats, it's still pretty overpowered. 1 block over the M14 isn't considered "heavy" (as far as the game is concerned). The flamethrower is heavy, the crossbow is heavy, the LAW is heavy. 6 blocks is comparable to the pump action shotgun.

Btw, just as a side note, anything in KF that shoots sharp projectiles, not including the LAW, is not affected by range. Anything that doesn't, is. (ex. nade launcher, flamethrower, grenades)

Advantage over M14:
More damage per bullet
Greater consistency (as per the better recoil system)

Disadvantage:

2/3 the firing rate
Slower reload time (I don’t know how slow 20 more frames is compared to the M14 current frames so I can’t comment)
1 block overweight

[Holy_Colt]

quite the opposite in fact, this is only intended to make the BR less of a spaming weapon and more of a marksman's weapon, the same can be said for the G3. I simply chose a cosmetically pleasing and accurately depicted model. its damage isn't even close to the crossbows, in fact like the M14 it isn't a single shot kill whatsoever, the damage increase is minimal in comparison to a bolt.

[YFGHNG]

Originally Posted by YFGHNG

So what I'm getting from this is the L1A1 is basically a miniature crossbow, but with more ammo, correct?

Originally Posted by Holy_Colt

quite the opposite in fact, this is only intended to make the BR less of a spaming weapon and more of a marksman's weapon,

Just like the crossbow, except weaker. By how much, I cannot say.

The ideal SS is always a marksman with a xbow.

[Holy_Colt]

You are impossible to reason with if your only going to nit pick parts of sentences.

[CandleJack]

Originally Posted by Holy_Colt

quite the opposite in fact, this is only intended to make the BR less of a spaming weapon and more of a marksman's weapon, the same can be said for the G3. I simply chose a cosmetically pleasing and accurately depicted model. its damage isn't even close to the crossbows, in fact like the M14 it isn't a single shot kill whatsoever, the damage increase is minimal in comparison to a bolt.

I hate to say it, but anything compared with the M14 is a marksmans weapon. Even a pistol is more of a marksman's weapon.

I'd like a more accurate 7.62x51mm NATO than the M14 for Sharpshooter.
You see the recoil on the SCAR-H, also chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO. This has far more recoil than the M14.
The FN Fal, designated L1A1, fits this well. Bringing it's damage to a bit below that of the LAR's, while having a price of around $1000 including discount is fine for what the L1A1 is.

[Evilsod]

Tbh something like that is what i hoped for with the M14. A weapon designed for taking the heads off everything at all ranges rather than the M14 whose philosphy is automatic spam first and Sharpshooting second. Which is why i prefer using a 9mm to the M14 (that and i don't like the M14s iron sights).

YFG what are you on about? Having slightly more weight than the M14 suddenly means its a crossbow wannabe? Doing slightly more damage, he said *10* when the Xbow does about 4500-5000 more damage, suddenly means its a mini Xbow? I don't understand why they gave us the M14, which is effectively the LAR on steroids, when they could've given us a real sniper weapon which allowed you to pick up the LAR as a backup or for closer encounters.

[CandleJack]

Originally Posted by Evilsod

I don't understand why they gave us the M14, which is effectively the LAR on steroids, when they could've given us a real sniper weapon which allowed you to pick up the LAR as a backup or for closer encounters.

The point of the M14 was to act like a better version of the LAR, like the SCAR is to the Bullpup.

Similar sights, and the like.

But yes, the fact is the gun is broken, like i stated in the OP, and people keep repeating. I often wonder why they gave us a spam-promoting gun for noobs rather than a sniper rifle as well. Even a M21DMR is better, while keeping the same style.

In Fact a M21DMR would be far superior.

A picture:

Spoiler!

Much better than than an M14EBR.

[Evilsod]

Originally Posted by CandleJack

The point of the M14 was to act like a better version of the LAR, like the SCAR is to the Bullpup.

Similar sights, and the like.

But yes, the fact is the gun is broken, like i stated in the OP, and people keep repeating. I often wonder why they gave us a spam-promoting gun for noobs rather than a sniper rifle as well. Even a M21DMR is better, while keeping the same style.

In Fact a M21DMR would be far superior.

Much better than than an M14EBR.

Well yes but thats kinda my point. Commando is really the 'Assault Rifle' perk so its hard to really give him anything but a stronger semi/fully automatic rifle. But Sharpshooter has so much more variation in weapon selection and balance.

Problem is they won't remove/replace the M14 and adding in another weapon is probably a bit too late now () so really our only hope is they balance the M14.

[nath2009uk]

I would use the m14 all the time if it was actually tailored to the Sharpshooter.

I can use the sights almost fine, and hate the laser, but what's the point?
I'm not level 5+ yet, but it rarely 1 shot headshots anything, which is what a LAR, 9mm, or most other weapons do it you can aim it.

Increase the headshot chance for lesser zeds but reduce the firing rate?

[C_Gibby]

Originally Posted by shaqism

Heres my suggestion, a .700 nitro express

We're actually thinking of something similar. It's been in planning for a while now. We're gonna work on it once we get the current list done. We're almost done with three things so far.

[Evilsod]

Originally Posted by nath2009uk

I would use the m14 all the time if it was actually tailored to the Sharpshooter.

I can use the sights almost fine, and hate the laser, but what's the point?
I'm not level 5+ yet, but it rarely 1 shot headshots anything, which is what a LAR, 9mm, or most other weapons do it you can aim it.

Increase the headshot chance for lesser zeds but reduce the firing rate?

Headshot chance? Aim the damn thing at the head and it hits. Its just almost irresistable to spamshot instead of properly aim with it since the ammo capacity is that big.

[brphoenix]

As for people suggesting a FN FAL (or its british modification, the L1A1), you do know it's an assault rifle, right? With full-auto, and capable of firing 400~600rpm? That's far from a sharpshooter's weapon.

I reckon the british L1A1 has only semi-auto, but it probably can fire as fast.
That's more commando than sharpshooter.

[Holy_Colt]

Originally Posted by brphoenix

As for people suggesting a FN FAL (or its British modification, the L1A1), you do know it's an assault rifle, right? With full-auto, and capable of firing 400~600rpm? That's far from a sharpshooter's weapon.

Your misinformed as large calibre rifles are called battle rifles. Lower calibres are assault. As far as the rpm is concerned, the FAL is used as a support weapon in some countries which gives it the high rpm rate. Again the rpm information is tested in controlled facilities which excludes the human error factor.

Originally Posted by brphoenix

I reckon the British L1A1 has only semi-auto, but it probably can fire as fast.
That's more commando than sharpshooter.

While it is true that the FAL and L1A1 share everything except the full auto capabilities, the L1A1s only limit is the human factor. Which basically limits itself to the persons ability to pull the trigger. I have shot the G3 FAL and others. It is quite impossible to shoot 400rpm continuously when this weapons weight, size, and recoil.

[YFGHNG]

Originally Posted by Holy_Colt

You are impossible to reason with if your only going to nit pick parts of sentences.

There's nothing wrong with nitpicking at sentences if other parts aren't required to make a point. Note that I'm not taking things out of context; the other parts are just extraneous.

Originally Posted by Evilsod

YFG what are you on about? Having slightly more weight than the M14 suddenly means its a crossbow wannabe? Doing slightly more damage, he said *10* when the Xbow does about 4500-5000 more damage, suddenly means its a mini Xbow?

I never said the damage had to be close to the xbow.

[Evilsod]

Originally Posted by YFGHNG

I never said the damage had to be close to the xbow.

So you calling it a mini crossbow was what exactly?

[YFGHNG]

Originally Posted by Evilsod

So you calling it a mini crossbow was what exactly?

It means I'm saying that the increase in power and accuracy while having an increase in weight of the L1A1 is exactly how the crossbow compares to the M14. Except with different stats.

[CandleJack]

Originally Posted by Holy_Colt

Your misinformed as large calibre rifles are called battle rifles. Lower calibres are assault. As far as the rpm is concerned, the FAL is used as a support weapon in some countries which gives it the high rpm rate. Again the rpm information is tested in controlled facilities which excludes the human error factor.

Quite right. Full-auto capability does not govern whether or not a weapon is an assault rifle. By this logic an M16 is a submachine gun. I much prefer using correct identification backed by informed sources myself.

Originally Posted by Holy_Colt

While it is true that the FAL and L1A1 share everything except the full auto capabilities, the L1A1s only limit is the human factor. Which basically limits itself to the persons ability to pull the trigger. I have shot the G3 FAL and others. It is quite impossible to shoot 400rpm continuously when this weapons weight, size, and recoil.

...G3 FAL? I am unfamiliar with this. Also, recoil is a real pain.

[the 1st wasted]

The M14 is not a spam weapon! On suicidal it takes atleast 2 shots to kill a clot unless it is a head shot.

The AA12 is a spam weapon-Fully automatic shotgun with a 25 round drum!

The Hunting shotgun will clear muliple zeds when alt fired.

The regular shot gun will kill multiple zeds with a single shot.

The M32 grenade launcher is a spam weapon--need I say more about this one?

I am a team player not a Rambo or kill hog, and I am a L6, SS, Support, Demo, Commando. I get many more kills as a demo than with any other class, Support and SS are normaly within 50 kills of each other.

Please stop picking on the Sharp Shooter class and look at the other classes as well.

[9_6]

How about you take a look at why people are "picking" on the m14/crossbow mr "the-aa12-has-a-25-round-drum-and-the-m14-is-not-a-spam-weapon".
I sure won't do the busywork for you and state the obvious.