Dx10

[[Mad_Murdock]]

I thought its about time i educated myself on this thorny subject.

Someone said something a while back in a game of FH, that you don't need Vista for DX10, and i was wondering if someone might be able to second that?

Also, like, what exactly is different between DX9 and DX10 to warrant an entire new generation of vid cards? Like what exactly is the visual difference, what effects can DX10 render that 9 can't? In other words, is there really a reason to pay up for a new card?

[SiFi]

These people are working on ways of getting DX10 without vista. Release for games is in early 2008.

Some comparison shots
Still comparisons from Lost Planet
Links to a video comparison in crysis

DX10 can look much better in some circumstances, but not so much better that I'd buy vista just to use it.

[[Mad_Murdock]]

Hmm, wow, so my crazy friends calling down Vista-based hellfire were right huh?

All I can really say is that those Falling Leaf people are a light in the dark, man. As for the whole DX10 thing its pretty much "Buy our **** or you can't have pretty pictures." Never would have guessed. I mean, (slightly)prettier pictures are no big deal, but still, this sounds like bigger blackmail thatn the McCarthy trials.

[Fedorov]

what a joke, they are actually comparing those 2 pics to show each version's potential?, and people dont see the obvious scam?





this reminds me of the Crysis "unltra high" settings unlock, where the screenshots looked exactly the same,

and people so ****ing hyped about how good Dx10 looks, of course is gonna look better in Dx10, but only because you lock the highest for Dx9 and because you do those bull****e comparisons.

smells like Microsoft's dirty money

[simons]

That flight Simulator X screenshot seems a bit fishy. Surely the ocean would need retexturing and such to get that effect. Surely DX10 doesn't change it THAT much

[SiC-Disaster]

Originally Posted by simons

That flight Simulator X screenshot seems a bit fishy. Surely the ocean would need retexturing and such to get that effect. Surely DX10 doesn't change it THAT much

Exactly what i was thinking lol.

[Tomcat_ha]

all i hear dx10 would be better than dx9 if games weren designed with dx10 in mind first.

[Xendance]

The flight simulator pic is old news, and Age of Conan does look that crappy.

[Reddog]

From what I understand there is nothing dx10 can do that dx9 can't, the apparent difference though is that dx10 handles such things more efficiently with it's different structure.

I am yet to be convinced personally though.

[Zell]

So stupid. All those screenshots show is higher texture quality.

[Fu. Svedberg]

Originally Posted by Reddog

From what I understand there is nothing dx10 can do that dx9 can't, the apparent difference though is that dx10 handles such things more efficiently with it's different structure.

I am yet to be convinced personally though.

That is what I have heard too, which means that most of these comparison screen shots are mostly BS to make people switch OS/GFX card.

[Skillet]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct3D#Direct3D_10
Nothing terribly amazing. OpenGL 3 looks more appealing should it ever be completed. :P

[SheepDip]

IMO It's being used as a reason for gamers to switch to Vista. To be quite honest if games ran on any other OS (open source or not) the same or better than Windows I doubt we'd be using it.

[Yoshiro]

This is what I know on the subject.

DX 10 was supposed to be vista only, then xp and vista, and then Vista only again.

However along the way of setting up the DX 10 standards, nvidia screwed up something so their dx 10 cards (the 8xxx series) couldn't do the part of the DX 10 standard that would make it Vista only.

So MS had to remove that from the original DX specs. So technicly there is nothing preventing MS from putting DX 10 on XP. DX 10.1 no, but DX 10 could be done if MS wanted to with out doing a major OS overhaul. Thats what most people talk about when they say DX 10 could work on XP.

[Monkwarrior]

A lot of people are talking about the project Fisi mentioned in his second post when they talk about gaming with DX10 under XP.
The chances MS will make DX10 available for XP are very slim IMO.

Monk.

[Reddog]

Originally Posted by Monkwarrior

A lot of people are talking about the project Fisi mentioned in his second post when they talk about gaming with DX10 under XP.
The chances MS will make DX10 available for XP are very slim IMO.

Monk.

Non-existant.

It's pretty much the last valid selling point of Vista, why would they destroy that?

[Fu. Svedberg]

Originally Posted by Reddog

Non-existant.

It's pretty much the last valid selling point of Vista, why would they destroy that?

Maybe they realized it's time do discontinue Vista...

[Capt.Marion]

Originally Posted by Fu. Svedberg

Maybe they realized it's time do discontinue Vista...

Now now, Sved, don't get your ( and everyone else's) hopes up, now...

[Reddog]

Originally Posted by Capt.Marion

Now now, Sved, don't get your ( and everyone else's) hopes up, now...

Yeah lol, I doubt they're discontinuing Vista, they're still forcing it down people's throats with 'store/company bought' PC's down here (ie. Dells etc). I have a friend getting a laptop through Dell, they wanna charge him extra to give it with XP Pro SP2 rather than Vista!

Fact is Vista is not really an improvement over XP at all, I have both having got Vista for free through the MSDNAA student resource program. I am running dual boot Vista and XP Pro SP2, I can tell you XP Pro is the better of the two

[Crusher]

I think DX10 will be the version where everyone realizes the games already look photo realistic and there is no need in making them more demanding.