2-handed pistol grip in Ostfront?

[Cleft_Asunder]

I notice the crouched sniper in the media section looks like he's not holding his Walther P38 1-handed. Hopefully that's the case since in CoD there was a mix. On axis the soldiers held the Luger with one hand, while on Allies they held the 1911 with two hands. The 1911 held with both hands felt psychologically more stable; you felt as if you were going to hit your target. The 1-handed grip just doesn't look accurate or stable, and it isn't.

[Conscript]

The modern Weaver stance, that is, holding the pistol with two hands was not taught to troops during WW2, I believe. Soldiers were trained to fire their pistols one-handed.

[Zell]

Well, what's the point of that? If two-handed is more stable, then why not teach it? Plus, wouldn't it just be common sense to stabilize it with the other hand, training or no?

[Conscript]

Christ, I dont know, Im not a WW2 drill sergeant. It's just what I remember reading.

[Zell]

Well, you should. ...I'm all dissappointed in you now.

[Conscript]

Im going to shoot you.

With both hands on the grip.

For the irony...y'know

[Cleft_Asunder]

Originally Posted by Zell

Well, what's the point of that? If two-handed is more stable, then why not teach it? Plus, wouldn't it just be common sense to stabilize it with the other hand, training or no?

Exactly. It's basically instinct to hold it with 2 hands.

[Moz]

Originally Posted by Cleft_Asunder

Exactly. It's basically instinct to hold it with 2 hands.

that could be just because we see in done so often (because it is supieror)

[Maschine Pistole-38]

Shooting a pistol one-handed was a tradition passed on from the time of the single shot pistol. When men would take 10 paces, turn, and then fire at one another in a 'Gentlemens duel'. And now you know.

[Cleft_Asunder]

Originally Posted by Maschine Pistole-38

Shooting a pistol one-handed was a tradition passed on from the time of the single shot pistol. When men would take 10 paces, turn, and then fire at one another in a 'Gentlemens duel'. And now you know.

I think the real questions should be, how common was the 2-handed hold? Did most soldiers instinctively hold it with 2 hand to ensure maximum accuracy? Or did they rely on their training no matter what?

I'm reluctant to believe that a soldier who's life is at stake will sacrifice accuracy by taking an inferior hold. But I honestly don't know.

[masasa]

In all hollywood war films(not the best source of info) that I remember seeing the pistol was used at very close range(which is understandable) and soldiers always used single hand. No point to use 2 hands when the enemy is in your face.

[Maschine Pistole-38]

Originally Posted by Cleft_Asunder

I'm reluctant to believe that a soldier who's life is at stake will sacrifice accuracy by taking an inferior hold. But I honestly don't know.

If the soldier is in that much danger and is using a pistol. I doubt they will even survive to say that they used either one hand or two.

[Mormegil]

Originally Posted by Cleft_Asunder

I'm reluctant to believe that a soldier who's life is at stake will sacrifice accuracy by taking an inferior hold. But I honestly don't know.

I'm not. You do what you're trained to do. That's what training is for. Otherwise a soldier whos life is at stake would just run away.

[[-project.rattus-]]

Originally Posted by Cleft_Asunder

I notice the crouched sniper in the media section looks like he's not holding his Walther P38 1-handed. Hopefully that's the case since in CoD there was a mix. On axis the soldiers held the Luger with one hand, while on Allies they held the 1911 with two hands. The 1911 held with both hands felt psychologically more stable; you felt as if you were going to hit your target. The 1-handed grip just doesn't look accurate or stable, and it isn't.

No party in the war used two hands to shoot a handgun, at least judging from the few pictures of soldiers using one... In most computergames the one-handed stance often looks awfull, because the models usually stand straight and have one hand poking forwards. Rather they would have to extend the arm sideways and aim over the shoulder.

[SheepDip]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]In the beginning real men shot their pistols one handed. After all if God wanted you to shoot two handed he’d a called it a handsgun, not a handgun. As a practical matter, if you weren’t holding on to your horse’s reins when you touched off a round he’d most likely light out like a scalded cat. You’d spend all day traipsing over Hell’s half acre.[/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Flash forward to the late 1950’s when a tall and lanky LA Sheriff’s Deputy named Jack Weaver showed up at some "leather slap" type competitions in the Big Bear California area. The match consisted of a man vs. man speed match where he who hit the target first was the winner. On the signal, the shooters would draw and fire, generally from the hip or shoulder, one handed, and without using the sights. Deputy Weaver wondered if there’d be a whole lot less missing going on if he’d bring the gun up in a two-hand hold. VIOLA! He began winning with great regularity. People watched as this worked for him. This was not lost on one of Weaver’s compadres and fellow competitors: none other than Jeff Cooper, founder of Gunsite, and father of modern pistolcraft.[/FONT]

Don't forget that to this day pistol marksmanship requires 1 handed shooting.

[radix]

Maybe in one hand a pistol and in the other one a nade....

[Ghad]

Originally Posted by Maschine Pistole-38

Shooting a pistol one-handed was a tradition passed on from the time of the single shot pistol. When men would take 10 paces, turn, and then fire at one another in a 'Gentlemens duel'. And now you know.

Besides, 1 handed pistol grip makes you look supremely cool. Every wwii combat soldier were well aware of this fact.

[BicycleRepairMan]

The pistol isnt really more "stable" with two hands, unless its a heavy one. The reason modern soldiers are trained to use both hands is for indoor combat, you hold it with both hand and close to your body(so it points out from the stomach), that way a suprise attack wont knock the gun away/out of your hands. When there is time you move it up to aim in a stabbing motion.

I've heard this is modern tactics though, so they were probably trained differently in WW2. Also they probably used tactics from WW1's trench wars, so the tactics were probably more long-distance oriented.

[radix]

How about having in each hand a pistol ... a la Billy the Kid ... to be able to grab a second pistol ...

[[-project.rattus-]]

Originally Posted by radix

How about having in each hand a pistol ... a la Billy the Kid ... to be able to grab a second pistol ...

If akimbo pistols are introduced, I might aswell be able to fire my mg42 from hip one-handed, feeding the 250 round belt with the other hand. Just like John Rambo: