Muzzle Flash

[fireship4]

Why big muzzle flashes on rifles/SMGs? The trailer shows large muzzle flashes whenever a gun is fired, but from what I had read in previous conversations and from what was previously in the mod I didn't believe that this was necessarily realistic. What made the team decide to put this in in a realistic game?

[Innociv]

it's not ... at daytime you should barely see them. They look how they shoudl at nighttime.

I wish they'd put in moree smoke and make the flash more transparent.

[[CoR]MiccyNarc]

And yes, that does change alot. Gosh, and we wonder why Tripwire doesn't release more media. They do and we all cry "OMG UNREALISTIC!"

Just be happy and wait for the game.

[JesseCuster]

(sorry - deleted for reasons of double post!)

[JesseCuster]

I saw somebody talking about muzzle flashes, and how they aren't realistic, etc.

Anyway, here's a few pictures of what the muzzle flash looks like from a Mosin-Nagant carbine.

Enjoy!

(And no, that's not any kind of special ammunition - that's all Cold War era ComBloc military surplus ammo.)

[[CoFR]BooBoo]

Actually, large muzzle flashes aren't out of the question. It all depends on the powder used to load the cartridge, the weather, etc. The time of day makes a difference, since a shot fired in broad daylight can have no flash, while the exact same rifle and ammo fired in dim light can have a basketball-sized flash. For the most part military ammo will nearly always have at least moderate muzzle flash, especially the WWII vintage stuff.

[Zoring]

But in a full length rifle you don't see any muzzle flash, anyhow i like muzzle flashes, they add to the atmosphere, and they help compensate for things like sound direction and stuff which you have in real life.

[[CoFR]BooBoo]

Oh yes, you do. I had a 1911 Schmidt-Rubin (7.5x55mm Swiss) with a 31 inch barrel. That sucker had one heck of a muzzle flash with Norma factory loads.

[D3terioNation]

Havent you guys seen Die Hard FFS!!!??

[Lizardhands]

Originally Posted by Valac

Please remember when you watch the video, it is running at lower frames than the game does while you play it.

Ha!

Not for some people...

[Witzig]

Originally Posted by Lizardhands

Ha!

Not for some people...

/slaps Lizardhands

[radix]

Originally Posted by Lizardhands

Ha!

Not for some people...

still 9 fps?

*sympathy*

[Gewehr 43]

Originally Posted by Zoring

But in a full length rifle you don't see any muzzle flash, anyhow i like muzzle flashes, they add to the atmosphere, and they help compensate for things like sound direction and stuff which you have in real life.

It all depends on the barrel length, the amount of powder used, and the burn rate for that given powder. So, a gun with a long barrel can have a muzzle flash if certain criteria are met. Most longguns and ammo combinations used during the war specifically minimized muzzle flash.

[WickedPenguin]

I don't have first-hand real-life experience with the SMG's, but I do own a couple Mosin Nagants. Their muzzle flashes are HUGE, basically a 3 foot flame spouting out, easily visible in daylight. At night, it looks like a flamethrower.

[JesseCuster]

Pictures of Mosin Muzzle Flashes:

[SheepDip]

I like muzzle flash too, they help add atmosphere. My only problem is when they're totally stupid in size.

[necropimp]

Originally Posted by WickedPenguin

I don't have first-hand real-life experience with the SMG's, but I do own a couple Mosin Nagants. Their muzzle flashes are HUGE, basically a 3 foot flame spouting out, easily visible in daylight. At night, it looks like a flamethrower.

that's only really true with the carbines

i have yet to fire my 91/30 at night but my daytime firing all i could see was a small puff of smoke (and i've never really heard people going on about the fireball from anything but the carbines)

[The_Countess]

Originally Posted by Jack

EDIT: Just saw Necropimp's post. Yes, a full-length 91/30 gets nothing like those pics, which is what I have shot.

yes but they are either there or not there about 3 times longer then they would be in game for most people (if they have 75FPS).

[necropimp]

first pic might be a M38 though it could also be a M44 with the bayo folded

second is M44

third... could be M44 with the bayo extended... but it's really hard to tell

and also the fireballs in those pics... cameras tend to show muzzle flashes a bit brighter than the human eye would see them (also it happens so fast you can easily miss it)

i should have mentioned i have friends with carbines and they do create a visible fireball a major part of this is barrel length... the muzzle flash is basically unused energy from the burning powder...

now imagine if someone made a 7.62x54R pistol

[[CoFR]BooBoo]

Exactly. The muzzle flash happens so quickly that most shooters never even know it happened. The normal tendency is for both eyes to close in an involuntary manner when the rifle fires. That "blink" lasts long enough for you to miss the flash entirely.

I've been shooting 30 years and have seen everything from bushel basket gouts of white flame to the smallest puff. The handloads I had for my Garand produced no true flash, but even then there was a small, fist-sized puff of reddish-orange from the super-hot propellant gasses. Let's not even talk about what my big magnums did...