CD auto respwn crap

[easton1234]

We just had another scrim vs iD........... and the darn auto reaspwn is taking our tactics away! I understand if it was a pub CD thing. But really. Only the hardcore comp guys play it during scrims. FIX THIS CRAP TWI! I am tired of putting in hrs of work to set scrims, not pubbing or gaming just PR work and then chk on my guys to make sure that they are there to have a stupid auto thing screw everything up! We hav a PUG CD scrim tonight and between 20- and 30 guys are gonna show up. SCREW F5 key..... I think TWI needs to do some competitive matches to understand. FIX IT! The other CD changes can wait, but for the love of GOD plz fix this now!No disrespect, I love TWI......... but come on.. these guys in the forums talking about CD mode play it sometimes........ not as much as the Comp guys. And the silly thing is {sBc} are the laid back group of the comp. scene. Do your PR work and track down the hardcore comp guys an love on them!!!! damnit!!!! I was hoping Rising Storm would help the Comp scene for NA, since only EU clans scrim.... but TWI needs to do some PR work with the clans. Find out whats on their hearts ... cause pubbing is getting old..

While I am at it I want to thank all the map makers for making custom CD maps.......... you guys ROCK! It makes us average comp guys stand a chance vs the ultra hardcore clans... Keep it up!! PLZZZZ

[1conu59]

I agree !

{G.F.A} Gordon freeman

[TraXx]

We've warned about it HORSE, but no one is listening. CD as it currently stands is without merit, broken and dead.

Hopefully RS can save some things, but my money is elsewhere. It was fun while it lasted.

[easton1234]

Originally Posted by TraXx

We've warned about it HORSE, but no one is listening. CD as it currently stands is without merit, broken and dead.

Hopefully RS can save some things, but my money is elsewhere. It was fun while it lasted.

NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!! Its up to us to keep CD alive!!!
Don't give up like all our buddies in the NA!!!
CD WILL RISE AGAIN!!!

[TraXx]

You KNOW there's no "give up" here, HORSE. I can't count the numbers of talented comp players that left much sooner than myself. I cried a little bit when DP and other top Euro and NA clans just straight up walked away from the game -- but no one can blame them. I gave it a shot for a LONG time after the Scorched Earth Tourney.

However, seeing the writing on the wall, after not wanting to believe it, for a long time, is a different story.

Sorry buddy, best of luck.

We'll see if RS can salvage some of the deeply broken parts of the game, but again -- my money is not on it.

[SQBsam]

Amidst the broken rubble that is OPs paragraph of fury, you haven't actually mentioned your problem beyond "Auto respawn crap".

This is the epitome of non-constructive criticism, could you slow down, use your grammaz, and tell me (perhaps I'm just ignorant, but we're running CD very well on the Aussie/NZ server) what the issue is.

[Rabid Penguin]

Originally Posted by SQBsam

Amidst the broken rubble that is OPs paragraph of fury, you haven't actually mentioned your problem beyond "Auto respawn crap".

This is the epitome of non-constructive criticism, could you slow down, use your grammaz, and tell me (perhaps I'm just ignorant, but we're running CD very well on the Aussie/NZ server) what the issue is.

the problem as I understood it from OP was that respawns happen automatically instead of on command

[greenlemonade]

The real problem is <F5> doesn't seem to be working for you right?

I've played as Commander 6 times since the update and <F5> has worked for me every time thus far. It delays the auto-spawn for 15 seconds are so.

I personally LOVE the auto respawn. Teams that cap points fast avoid the risk of an auto-respawn giving them more re-enforce waves for later. It also means, Commander is no longer a required role. I know for sure that I had a lot of fun at our last scrim. Playing Count Down against bots just became a LOT more fun too! It would be nice if TW added an option to disable auto-respawn, but I love it.

[M55ikael]

I would agree that CD needs all the love it can get, but I'm curious why people like yourself don't post more on the forums. I would think that your opinions would be valued.

"these guys in the forums talking about CD mode play it sometimes........ not as much as the Comp guys."

I am one these guys, and having only played a handful of competitive CD matches in the now defunct RO ladder, I realize that I do not speak for the comp scene. The changes to CD that you loosely speak of, will not come by themselves. I take it you are referring to the changes to the timer and winning conditions, but as of now a poll has voted emphatically in favour of the new changes, and the discussion in the thread has died down basically with a consensus that the changes are largely good.

Personally, I still can't understand why only the last cap time should count towards winning a tiebreaker. Yet it seems it wasn't necessary to make sense of the new changes, because people generally seemed to like how the changes played out. But for these guys, tiebreakers are hardly as critical as for the people who play competitively.

If you would have posted in the CD feedback thread in the beta forum, a thread that admittedly went under my radar as well, you would have had the opportunity to shape the changes to your liking.

It will undoubtedly be much harder to shape the development of patches and tweaks, while being reactionary. Mobilize your men and make your voices heard, it won't happen on its own by virtue of being in a clan.

[greenlemonade]

Another thing that might be complicating things is that I think the Commander must be alive in order to delay the auto-respawn. If this is true (lets test it later), I like what this does for tactics. It makes the commander much more than another assault class. He needs to be careful or even protected to help conservere waves. If this is true it also makes him a high priority target for the other team.

[M55ikael]

Originally Posted by greenlemonade

Another thing that might be complicating things is that I think the Commander must be alive in order to delay the auto-respawn. If this is true (lets test it later), I like what this does for tactics. It makes the commander much more than another assault class. He needs to be careful or even protected to help conservere waves. If this is true it also makes him a high priority target for the other team.

It's not exactly like that. The commander doesn't have to be alive. But when you're pubbing with bots, and the commander takes over the bots' roles after dying, his force respawn command no longer works. It's a bug, really.

At least that's how it worked prepatch.

[greenlemonade]

Originally Posted by M55ikael

It's not exactly like that. The commander doesn't have to be alive. But when you're pubbing with bots, and the commander takes over the bots' roles after dying, his force respawn command no longer works. It's a bug, really.

At least that's how it worked prepatch.

You're right. Dead commander CAN stop the respawn.

I've tested F5 22+ times and it always works. Could there be a custom setting that prevents this? Maybe F5 assigned to something else? In controls, "Deny Order" is the button that stops respawns. THe notice appears in the center of the screen (same as 5 Players Waiting to Respawn). You have 10 seconds to hit F5. If you're worried you missed it, just hit F5 a bunch.

[easton1234]

I will still set up 2-4 matches a wk....
But my only "WTF" thing is the auto respawn...
I shouldnt have to worry about hitting an f5 key.
Shouldn't even come up... never...
The darn system should be able to tell if a commander role is being used.
If it is.......... then ONLY the commander can respawn.... It is so vital to use it only when necessary...... if there is 1.5 min. to go... and only 2 guys are left for our side against 4-5 enemy... well if its 2 studd players and the cap is close for the guys respawning then you wait till almost 45 seconds before calling it in... Some cpas are further way and you need to call it in sooner... I mean half the fun is rooting and talking to your buds in TS to hurry up, that you are gonna have to use a respwn! And if a commander calls it at the wrong time... the Clan rips him a new butthole in TS.... It is just a noob function.. The system needs to be aware if a commander spot is being used... Why doesnt TE have auto respwn? Cause its GAY!
Well I guess make it a server side option. There is the answer DONE!

[greenlemonade]

Agreed,

A serverside option is best. 3 options:
cdAutoRespawn=
1. Always
2. Never when Commander Role selected
3. Never


Personally, I still don't see the issue with hitting F5. If anything, its nice to have the reminder that time is running out.

[M55ikael]

The option is excellent for pubbing, as you can almost never count on your commander to make the right choice (unless it's me of course :-). But I can see the function being detrimental in competitive matches, or basically as long as the commander knows what he's doing.

[Yoshiro]

We can look at a server option to turn it off, but we won't turn it off while their is a Commander. Our research showed many games ended poorly for the attackers due to Commanders who did not understand their vital roll.

[easton1234]

Originally Posted by Yoshiro

We can look at a server option to turn it off, but we won't turn it off while their is a Commander. Our research showed many games ended poorly for the attackers due to Commanders who did not understand their vital roll.

I have never had any issues with this game until the last update. Now I only see the F5 message a couple of times. Usually it doesnat show up... But that doesnt matter........................... Ask any of the Darn Clans involved in the Scortched Earth Tourney if the "Need" and Auto respawn........ I would Guess 0%........ and if this has to do with pub CD... Well look who is actually playing it... nobody....... Me and Cullis and 2 other guys tried to get it going today EU evening.... ITs dead.... So the actual servers that have atleast an 8 on 8 REAL PEOPLE are the clanservers... Its a no brainer.....
Like tonight 11/30 20:30 EU time........ GFA is playing another French clan... For 1.5 -2.5 hrs there is your community activity for CD.... Ask them what they think... don't expect them to post crap.. they are gonna just stop playing..... I see guys with like hundreds of posts in the forums.... then I look at their hrs playing RO........ and I am like really .... play more then post..... now I know the level of players I pub with and I know who knows their crap... Not based on score or anything but on how they play their position.... Its not rocket science.... The proof is in the pudding. Simple....... Clans.......... ladder......... activity for CD..........
It Just takes proactive PR work.
I play maybe 12+hrs of CD a wk..... Its not diff. to know who else plays it with actual people in the NA.. Now for EU i only watch GFA, iD, and Itak etc..... not bot crap!

[greenlemonade]

Originally Posted by Yoshiro

We can look at a server option to turn it off, but we won't turn it off while their is a Commander. Our research showed many games ended poorly for the attackers due to Commanders who did not understand their vital roll.

Great Idea! I love the auto respawn but we need a server side option. Especially for clan matches.