So I held a Mosin today....

[Krane65]

And almost bought it for $110. I was worried it wouldn't work or something did function properly with it. It was waaay longer and heavier than I thought it would be. Almost awkward to hold and aim.

I also couldn't help but wonder how many people that thing could of killed.... I'm not a war veteran so that kind of stuff still bothers me....

[TheRealGunther]

You should have bought it odds are it was in perfect working order the old bolts was practically indestructible many was even used in ww1.That's why so many is still around today it sounded like a M91 the full size version (the 91 stands for 1891). I own 3 different types they also made a carbine version the M38 it is much smaller but still a good rifle.

As far as how many people it killed I wouldn't worry about that guns don't kill people .... people do

[Krane65]

Was $110 a good deal for that? It was the full length one, it even came with the ammo pouch/strap, a bayonet, and some other stuff. I ended up buying a brand new .22 instead. I paid more for the 22 LR and it wont be nearly as fun to shoot.... My first gun purchase ever though.

[TheRealGunther]

Originally Posted by Krane65

Was $110 a good deal for that? It was the full length one, it even came with the ammo pouch/strap, a bayonet, and some other stuff. I ended up buying a brand new .22 instead. I paid more for the 22 LR and it wont be nearly as fun to shoot.... My first gun purchase ever though.

Yes it was with all that stuff that came with it for sure.The biggest problem with the old Mosins is the ammo.You can buy the rounds fairly cheap but their corrosive and require a cleaning after you shoot it.You just need a cleaning rod so you can clean the barrel.Winchester does sell some top grade ammo for it tho that's non corrosive.

Nothing wrong with owning guns and a .22 LR is a fine first gun shooting them is actually considered a hobby (plinking). Can be alot of fun if you have a safe place to shoot it. Just treat all guns as if they are loaded and you will be fine.

[Krane65]

Thanks for the advice, I will definitely keep that in mind. I don't think theres anything wrong with owning a couple rifles either. I'm not even planning on killing any living things with it. I'm just taking it target shooting, so the only thing that has to worry is my broken xbox360 which is going to collect some lead

On a safety note, do you think it's safe to shoot an xbox with a .22 or is there too much of a ricochet hazard or the bullet doing some weird U-turn through it?? That is one reason I kind of wanted a mosin because it would probably obliterate pretty much anything I shoot at and no ricochet hazard.

[TheRealGunther]

Originally Posted by Krane65

Thanks for the advice, I will definitely keep that in mind. I don't think theres anything wrong with owning a couple rifles either. I'm not even planning on killing any living things with it. I'm just taking it target shooting, so the only thing that has to worry is my broken xbox360 which is going to collect some lead

On a safety note, do you think it's safe to shoot an xbox with a .22 or is there too much of a ricochet hazard or the bullet doing some weird U-turn through it?? That is one reason I kind of wanted a mosin because it would probably obliterate pretty much anything I shoot at and no ricochet hazard.

As long as your not point blank range the risk would be from flying xbox parts more so than the bullet.Physics wise its nearly impossible for a bullet to return to its shooter.Ricochet's deflect at an angle personally I have shot up 2 xbox's lols that's how I deal with the red ring of death as well

Another thing its always a good idea to wear glasses or safety goggles when shooting.If your too close flying debris may not be deadly but could put an eye out.I have shot guns all my life and never had an accident but with guns its always safety first.

[tolas]

number one resource for people looking at mosins

http://7.62x54r.net/

it will show you everything you need to know to know about buying identifying, shooting, collecting and cleaning when it comes to the mosin family of rifles.

take a bore light with you to look at all the details and so you can inspect the chamber and bore to insure its in decent shape.

and let me state this very clearly. THERE ARE ALOT OF DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF MOSIN NAGANT RIFLES.

If you do buy one, go and do some research on what to look for, the crown the bore the sights, the pitting etc..

i bought an old 1943 m91/59 that was smothered in cosmoline, afterwards i took it, cleaned it up, removed old finish, put on a new stain and coating and i just adore it. you never truly know the quality your getting until its perfectly cleaned up.

the pic doesnt do it justice.

also note that surplus ammo will be corrosive, and will need an ammonia based solvent to break up the salts, otherwise it can rust the bore.

and if you an inexperienced shooter, the mosin will hurt, it WILL HURT to shoot it. but after some time you will get used to it and be better at absorbing the shock, if you get a carbine mosin, like i have, the fireball and concussive force will rock you to your stomach, its just that badass.

[r5cya]

NEVER, SAY NEVER.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc" target="_blank">Guy hit in head with .50 caliber ricochet - YouTube

P.S. ammonia does nothing at all to salts. the water, is what gets the job done. ammonia will help with copper fouling.
i shoot a mosin just about ever day. the only rifle cheaper to shoot is a .22 and that's not much cheaper.

[Alexander Ostmann]

Three common guidelines to shooting:

1.) Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire
2.) Treat every firearm as if it is loaded
3.) Keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction (preferably down at an angle)

And the last one I recommend is to ALWAYS wear eye and hearing protection. One time I was shooting a pistol at a target 10 feet away, and the dirt/mud kicked itself up and flew at my face at a very high velocity, smacking me right in the glasses. Now that **** is contaminated with led and god knows what other chemicals, so I saved myself a pair of eyes that day. ALWAYS wear protection.

.22s can ricochet, but mainly if you're just shooting at metal. Don't get too close, though, as debris will fly at very high rates of speed.

I personally would have bought the Mosin, but that's just me.

[tolas]

Originally Posted by r5cya

P.S. ammonia does nothing at all to salts. the water, is what gets the job done. ammonia will help with copper fouling.
i shoot a mosin just about ever day. the only rifle cheaper to shoot is a .22 and that's not much cheaper.

so thats why they always say to use windex never looked up teh details myself, mainly for the copper then. i always thought ammonia helped against breaking down the corrosive salts in the primers, guess its the water that does the work

i only ever used that method once, but i have also found hoppes #9 to be just as effective at cleaning out corrosive residue.

the chance of that ricochet happening again is very miniscule, not something to make you go out and buy a bullet proof enclosure when you go shooting. Your more likely to get shot or hit by a bullet from a negligent discharge from an incompetent shooter at the range, in which case im always wary of and just leave when i see a retard come in.

[Cpt-Praxius]

Originally Posted by TheRealGunther

As far as how many people it killed I wouldn't worry about that guns don't kill people .... people do

... with guns.... and the bullets they send to their target.

[ro_sauce]

i've bought and sold sooo many mosins.
used to buy them for 50 bucks a pop at Big 5 all the time (and sometimes got lucky with $100 k31's)
whenever i bought them at big 5, they came with everything, oil/cleaner can, adjustment tools, ammo pouch, bayonet, one more thing but i cant remember...
they also used to get yugo m95's fairly often too (k98k clone)

now the prices are sky high (more than i'm willing to spend, unless they're hex recievers)

ammo is expensive as heck too now, and it's super easy to clean the mercuric salt out of a mosin (a bit harder for svt's), but you can find non-corrosive bulk mil alongside the corrosive stuff.

the ammonia breaks down the oil, then the water breaks down the salts, so windex is one way of cleaning it (also the cheapest easiest)
shaving cream works especially well for heavy carbon build up (i use it in my ljungman ag42b cause of the gas op, and haakim rifles)

[The Commissar]

Originally Posted by tolas

the pic doesnt do it justice.

and if you an inexperienced shooter, the mosin will hurt, it WILL HURT to shoot it. but after some time you will get used to it and be better at absorbing the shock, if you get a carbine mosin, like i have, the fireball and concussive force will rock you to your stomach, its just that badass.

Why add the scope to a Mosin-Nagant (carbine, even) though? Let alone any historical weapon.

Well, guess it's your choice, but I wouldn't add anything to them.

[[Mad_Murdock]]

Very nice! Always good to see another aspiring Mosin fan

Although, I have to say, if it is your first gun purchase ever, you probably made the right call going for the .22, my first gun was my Mosin, lol, but I wish I had started off with my dads Ruger 10/22, that thing has no recoil, and with ammo going for less than $20 for a box of 500+ you can't go wrong.

Although, once you are comfortable, I highly recommend getting your hands on a 91/30 or one of its sisters. They are a hell of a lot of fun, and ammo is decent price too. Also, I've found there's an added bonus of when I first set mine off at the range most everyone turns to look at what just made the loud boom.

What the other guys said is right though with the surplus ammo, I shoot 148 grain Soviet LPS through two rifles when I go, and it takes me about 2 hours to clean each one thoroughly. Love doing it though, I like to sit in the yard outside and wave to the neighbors while I'm at it

P.S. I'm with you there Comissar, historical weapons should stay badass.

Although tolas, you did a fantastic job on that gun. I have been thinking of buying a separate stock for my mosin and refinishing it, would not touch the original one though, I want to be able to revert it to original form. I have a question actually, did the new stain clash at all with what was already on the stock? Or did you take off enough of the finish to remove the old stain?

[Krane65]

Thanks guys for all the advice! I am very happy with my .22 purchase. After doing some research, a .22 is a VERY underated caliber and has been responsible for more human deaths as a result. One guy tested it and even at 300 yards his Savage .22 rifle was able to go completely through a turkey wrapped in 3 layers of clothing.... Scary. And that is bone and guts included.

My friend told me that I got a "wimpy" rifle, but technically the BULLET TIP is around the same size used by the m4 carbine. The only difference is that the m4 bullet has way more powder behind it so it has a much further range.
Also m4 carbine ammo has a much more pointed rifle tip to it. But other than that the diameter of the bullet tips are pretty much identical.

After researching, I learned to never underestimate the power of a .22 because it can and will kill you dead.

[tolas]

Originally Posted by The Commissar

Why add the scope to a Mosin-Nagant (carbine, even) though? Let alone any historical weapon.

Well, guess it's your choice, but I wouldn't add anything to them.

i wanted to check just how accurate it was.

and face it, the mosin sights are piss poor to begin with, unless you get a finish mosin, those sights are miles better.

And its only a scout setup, its not a permanent modification, so i can revert it back to stock whenever i please. its only a 2x pistol scope anyway, but i can guarantee that even a simple 1x or reddot wouldve made a world of difference for this gun.

also wanted to check out how accurate the 185 gr silver bear ammo was and some winchester soft points of a similar gr count, ive seen things where people report that the heavier bullets (not the 203 gr ones) are more accurate in the carbines, though i dont think the carbine can stabilize the 203 loads. ill be testing all this out later.

[The Commissar]

Originally Posted by tolas

i wanted to check just how accurate it was.

and face it, the mosin sights are piss poor to begin with, unless you get a finish mosin, those sights are miles better.

And its only a scout setup, its not a permanent modification, so i can revert it back to stock whenever i please. its only a 2x pistol scope anyway, but i can guarantee that even a simple 1x or reddot wouldve made a world of difference for this gun.

I'm going to have to disagree with you there, the front stub might be arguably a little thick, but i've never had issues with accuracy.
And, in my opinion, the ringed-post sight is better than the open trident/V sight.

[ross]

Originally Posted by r5cya

P.S. ammonia does nothing at all to salts. the water, is what gets the job done. ammonia will help with copper fouling.
i shoot a mosin just about ever day. the only rifle cheaper to shoot is a .22 and that's not much cheaper.

Was just about to post this. Boiling water after you shoot, then a normal cleaning at first convenience. If you clean immediately after shooting, you don't even need the water, just make sure your cleaning fluid of choice is formulated in a way that will remove the salts.

Originally Posted by The Commissar

Why add the scope to a Mosin-Nagant (carbine, even) though? Let alone any historical weapon.

Well, guess it's your choice, but I wouldn't add anything to them.

It's one of those non-smith mounts, all you do is drive out the rear sight pin and whack it in there. It doesn't do anyting permanent to the rifle and although I wouldn't personally use one, I don't see a problem with people who do. What really infuriates me is when people drill and tap a 1917 Remington contract M91 to put a crappy scope on it, trash the original stock and replace it with a synthetic one, hacksaw off the front and rear sights, hacksaw off the bolt handle and weld on one of those ATI ones, then leave it to rust over.

That is an actual thing I saw. I just about wanted to put a hole through the wall.

[[Mad_Murdock]]

Originally Posted by ross

What really infuriates me is when people drill and tap a 1917 Remington contract M91 to put a crappy scope on it, trash the original stock and replace it with a synthetic one, hacksaw off the front and rear sights, hacksaw off the bolt handle and weld on one of those ATI ones, then leave it to rust over.

[User Name]

Yeah Ross the sporters always seem to be good ones before hand. I bought a bubba special Mosin for $40. It was sickening to see "NEW ENGLAND WESTINGHOUSE COMPANY 1915" stamped on the cut down barrel, and the original, but now bent bolt still in it. It also an M1903 Springfield front sight (that rifle probably met a similar fate) replacing the original front sight on the shortened barrel.

Luckily the only Remington M91 I've found is my Finn capture. Which was thankfully not messed with!