I'm missing something here

[Ducky]

Originally Posted by specta3

My fault did not realise it could not be posted , But they are out there and VAC is not catching them.Punkbuster has only banned 3 players in the past 12 months from this game.

I find it very hard to belive that there have only been 3 cheaters playing this game in the past year. I know for a fact there are a number of players out there who know excatly were you are, before they come around the corner .

I try to aviod all servers that dont run punkbuster now , but judgeing by the fact it has only caught 3 cheats in one year my guess is they have a work around for that as well .

http://www.pbbans.com/mbi-latest50-ro2-lfb40.html

The problem with RO2 regarding reported cheats at EvenBalance (PB) and/or Valve is that it isn't a mainstream game. Due to this both EvenBalance and Valve don't spend time into actively searching for cheats. They rely on reports made by server admins and/or TWI. If none of them report a cheat, then both EvenBalance and Valve do zip. This is why it's important for server to stream to PBBans. And why it is important for anybody to report any found cheat to TWI (use a PM for that).

[PhoenixDragon]

Originally Posted by specta3

I try to aviod all servers that dont run punkbuster now , but judgeing by the fact it has only caught 3 cheats in one year my guess is they have a work around for that as well .

Or it's a niche game that doesn't have the population base to get many players willing to spring for paid cheat programs.

I don't even need a whole hand to count the number of people I've encountered that were, for sure, cheating. In fact, I'd only need a single finger.

(Edit: If Punkbuster is only catching 3 per year, that doesn't seem like a good reason to avoid servers that don't use it...)

[Floyd]

Originally Posted by specta3

My fault did not realise it could not be posted , But they are out there and VAC is not catching them.Punkbuster has only banned 3 players in the past 12 months from this game.

I find it very hard to belive that there have only been 3 cheaters playing this game in the past year. I know for a fact there are a number of players out there who know excatly were you are, before they come around the corner .

I try to aviod all servers that dont run punkbuster now , but judgeing by the fact it has only caught 3 cheats in one year my guess is they have a work around for that as well .

http://www.pbbans.com/mbi-latest50-ro2-lfb40.html

Seeing as that list is from pbbans and only applies to servers that are streaming to pbbans (kudos to them, btw) your assumption that only 3 cheaters have been caught gamewide by punkbuster is just that....an assumption.

Pbbans is NOT Evenbalance (Punkbuster). As far as I know, Evenbalance nor VAC publish their ban numbers.

[Sulman]

Originally Posted by PhoenixDragon

Or it's a niche game that doesn't have the population base to get many players willing to spring for paid cheat programs.

I'm not sure I'm following the reasoning here.

[PhoenixDragon]

Originally Posted by Sulman

I'm not sure I'm following the reasoning here.

I'm not sure what's not to follow. He was pointing out that very few people had been caught by PB. He then assumed that meant that the cheaters had a way around it. I was pointing out another possibility: That it's a fairly small-population game, with niche appeal, which results in a much smaller population than the mainstream shooters. Therefor, it has fewer players willing to pay for cheats, and therefor has fewer cheaters to be caught.

[Zeraphinos]

I agree also with PhoenixDragon . in my 2 years i saw 1 cheater only . Besides that , u dont have to use illegal programm to cheat in this game . U can like i do tweak ini to get better view , its ofc not fair and give me some little advantage over those that doesnt tweak .
But i want to say to my protection that i need also those extra fps that i get from tweaking ini file , without my fps are max 20 fps , when i tweak ini my fps can reach 40 fps .
But there is also another option to cheat in this game and many servers support this cheat . AND im 100 % sure that also ppl who post here on this thread , and
say that they find it unfair that ppl can turn off grass and so on , are also cheating by legal way . I use it too and i stand to it , but i hate when ppl pretend to play fair here on forum and ingame they cheat with different ways .
The cheat that many ppl use is when u wait to spwan to be able to spectate the battlefield. This is for me the number 1 cheat of all . I dont want to tell u how often i got killed by the same guy that i killed few sec again and he backstabbed me or throw exact grenade on me , bcs he spectate me after i killed him and he knew exactly where i am so he could take me out with grenaade or even back stabb me .

Also Mr. Sensemann who pretends to be fair player on this forum , forgot u to tell that he is very good in spawn camping , even after tell him to stop with spawncamping , he never stops .

[Proud_God]

There is a server option to disallow free roaming when dead.

[Mike_Nomad]

Originally Posted by PhoenixDragon

I'm not sure what's not to follow. He was pointing out that very few people had been caught by PB. He then assumed that meant that the cheaters had a way around it. I was pointing out another possibility: That it's a fairly small-population game, with niche appeal, which results in a much smaller population than the mainstream shooters. Therefor, it has fewer players willing to pay for cheats, and therefor has fewer cheaters to be caught.

We see hundreds of players every 24 hours in our servers - many are exploiting to one degree or another and some, not all, are using nifty cheat wares. Minimizing the debilitating effect cheat wares has on any game platform is just plain wrong.

Cheat Software eventually KILLS a game if not pursued and stopped.

[Sensemann]

Originally Posted by Zeraphinos

Also Mr. Sensemann who pretends to be fair player on this forum , forgot u to tell that he is very good in spawn camping , even after tell him to stop with spawncamping , he never stops .

LOL. So you admit that you get unfair advantages through tweaking your .ini files and you complain about me spawncamping? hahahaha

Hilarious, considering that I am not tweakening anything and NEVER been told by an admin that I did sth that I wasn't supposed to do.

Be happy that I am in a good mood and don't report you to an admin.

[Icey_Pain]

Originally Posted by Sensemann

LOL. So you admit that you get unfair advantages through tweaking your .ini files and you complain about me spawncamping? hahahaha

Hilarious, considering that I am not tweakening anything and NEVER been told by an admin that I did sth that I wasn't supposed to do.

Be happy that I am in a good mood and don't report you to an admin.

While both tweaking as well as spawnkilling are bad practices. The difference is that 20 FPS equals an unplayable game, where as spawnkilling is purely bad behaviour, it does not have any justification as to why you should do it.

Now I'm not blaming you as I obviously don't have proof of anything, but just because an admin has never corrected you isn't proof of your innocence either. Threatening to "report" people for calling you out, isn't something I'd be proud of.

If people call you out with unfair accusations, then there's no reason to concern yourself with them as you will know if you did something wrong yourself. Ignoring the other person, or settling it in a friendly and constructive dispute(in PM) is the better option here.

But that's just my opinion, this thread went from gameplay tips to complaining about cheaters, it borders being offtopic.

[PhoenixDragon]

Originally Posted by Mike_Nomad

We see hundreds of players every 24 hours in our servers - many are exploiting to one degree or another and some, not all, are using nifty cheat wares.

Considering how different your claim is to what I have experienced in-game on other servers, and considering some of the claims you've made toward this subject in the past, I suspect you think many people are cheating when they are not.

[Mike_Nomad]

Originally Posted by PhoenixDragon

Considering how different your claim is to what I have experienced in-game on other servers, and considering some of the claims you've made toward this subject in the past, I suspect you think many people are cheating when they are not.

Believe what you wish.....

[Zeraphinos]

Exactly Mr Sensemann , I admit and i dont hide behind mask . Yes i tweak ini file and yes i go spectate during spawn time to see enemy . But i respect server rules so I dont spawn camp or call arty on spawn .

I was following the thread for some time and read every post but not one was saying what actually ppl can do ingame . All were complaing about 1 or 2 cheaters that were using hacks during 2 years Ro2 .
So i decide to be bad guy and show how game looks with tweak so TWI CAN FIX IT ! bcs its serious problem and also the problem that many servers allow to spectate during spawn time .

[Icey_Pain]

Originally Posted by Zeraphinos

Exactly Mr Sensemann , I admit and i dont hide behind mask . Yes i tweak ini file and yes i go spectate during spawn time to see enemy . But i respect server rules so I dont spawn camp or call arty on spawn .

I was following the thread for some time and read every post but not one was saying what actually ppl can do ingame . All were complaing about 1 or 2 cheaters that were using hacks during 2 years Ro2 .
So i decide to be bad guy and show how game looks with tweak so TWI CAN FIX IT ! bcs its serious problem and also the problem that many servers allow to spectate during spawn time .

I take it you're a fair player right?

Then I would suppose that the most important reason to have those tweaks is to save performance. All other beneficiary tweaks to your client view, should in my opinion be disabled.
Spectating for the enemies during spawntime is a shame because combat is much more immersive if you don't use any aids than the ones you're given once you're running around alive.