@Rak: Might i recommend that you gain a bit of reading comprehension ? Succesfull launch and then whatever happens afterwards .. well that happens afterwards. Red Orchestra 2 went off quite spectacularly. And gave TWI a lot of cash to play with. That people then went off to other shooters like say.. battlefield 3 or Modern warfare 3 with much bigger budgets plus others were scared off by all the bugs and others were probably expecting the 25th coming of Christ.
But that's unrelated to the launch. The launch is a specific event. It doesn't matter if it goes Titanic, that's just a tragic end to what was a beatiful venture with such a promising start...
But we're not even seeing that yet are we ? There's still plenty of time for things to be turned around.. In particular with all that lovely money that dropped into TWI's pocket.
Though something tells me looking through all this and having noted a bunch of other threads that it doesn't really matter.
It all comes down to some people overstating their own importance in terms of the greater market and then blaming TWI for it instead of just looking at other factors.. Like the huge mess of bugs, the fact that for most new players to the whole RO thing.. Ro2 would still be quite daunting and thus went off to play things like BF3 and MW3.
Yet no, clearly it must be because RO2 wasn't enough like RO1.. despite the probable fact that more people bought RO2 than ever bought RO1.
I applaud TWI's determination to stick to the course and not listening to the backseat drivers in this case.
lol are you really that delusional or taken away?
What do you not get, in order to get those millions, you have to put out a game that knows what its caters too and in doing so, is done right in the process. In this process, this means good enough flawless design that caters to any player that doesn't want to get frustrated with bugs and such. Not a launch that starts out with 10,000 people and then a month or so later is left with only 1,500 people. It is quite simple, your game isn't good, you move on, rather you played previous versions or not. As a person that played Ost, this game is just a disappointment and a lot of the realism is gone, along with added features from other games that half work lol.
The sad thing that most people don't get about TWI, is that, this is all Ramm's fault. Yeah, that is right, i'm done with you Ramm. For anyone that does not know, Ramm makes all the decisions at TWI period. Rightly so, it is his company, but at the same time.. LISTEN TO YOUR FANBASE AND DEV TEAM, NOT THE PESKY DOLLAR. It is his company, many of times, as we have seen in these forums. Decisions are made and the people that are not associated with building the game(coders/design) are left out and then blamed(Wilson for one example with a interview before the launch. Yoshi with having to back track on things that "didn't quite make the release, but will get there." Another post I saw a while back, Sasquatch in not being informed of a game design decision, as it just happened and him having no say in it.)
Ramm, if you would have stuck to your guns and upgraded what we all so loved, this would have been the "generation leap" which you so flaunted and advertised. In which would have offered the gateway away from the Battlefields and Call of Dutys. You could of had this.. but sigh. You being contempt with what you have now is unacceptable, seeing that you have to address the community in such a manner now with such a fresh release.
I saw this coming in the Friends and Family beta stage. Not only do did you alienate your core fanbase, you put a limit on who was your friends and family and decided it was time to go mainstream. People were in the beta that people barely recognized from who knows what, we can debate on who is F&F.. but at the same time. When you can't get a game during American prime time hours.. yeah.. you realize why we were upset, we barely got a game during our prime time ours. You expect us to play during beta times that were during our afternoon and lunch periods?! This is still so now, as I have seen American numbers, the lowest in the upper 200s.
In going "mainstream" you lost and/or dis-enfranchised a lot of your beloved fans. Not only is RO2 not like previous ROs.. it is a game in which most that don't read between the lines, were promised something but got something else.
More people are playing Killing Floor than RO2! Just think about that for a second...
Now that my rant is over.. believe me.. (ego on) I have done things in RO must people will never do with clan stuff and success. (this is to brag but not to brag too much, only to show my blind commitment to the game, in which I once had. also, at all those lol video games, you got a choice, play casually, or play for something more, my choice is clearly out for all.) What has been done to RO is such a shame.. a shame in which only Killing Floor 2 will be the only factor in reviving RO, as RO3 will be made by the money from that, no doubt. If their is a RO3, currently, if RO3 was to be announced now, lol their is no way you get half the 10,000 buyers you got. Everyone would assume, "ah, another buggy game from TWI." "Well, RO2 was buggy and they are moving on, I'm sure the same thing will happen to this one, why buy?" If TWI was to have a free weekend right now, it would be nothing but a embarrassment due to the bugs still in the game and performance issues.
For all of you that are clueless and not in the know with TWI, it is in a crossroads, as the work place is at a civil war. Why wouldn't it be either? A game that many have supposedly worked hard on for a long time, to be in such a state it is in now..
This is all on you John Gibson, fix it, or replace yourself, or demote yourself to a status in the company in which you won't contribute to terrible game design for anymore releases. Don't ever PISS on your fanbase again and expect the fanboys and your "Tripewire commitment to the game to save you like it did with Killiing Floor!." This is not the zombie market in which any idiot that loves zombies will flock too, this is a realistic world war two market you are in, in which can not have the turn around success you want until you give us what we were promised and expecting. In which you give us the realism that is expected from other Red Orchestra titles/mods!
At the end of it all, I want TWI to succeed.. but I have lost all faith in you John. Not only do I not want to give your company another dime. I then feel saddened because, I like a lot of people in your company. BUT, because of you.. right now, it is just in a mess.
Please restore my faith.. all of us that have lost it..
