I'll Show You Mine If You'll Show Me Yours (Part Deux)

Looks good, but how does it shoot?

Flogger23m said:

Looks like your average 91/30, 1942, Russian, nothing special. Will be picking them up sometime this week.

Oberschutze, that is a nice collection.

Edit: 91/30 is a Tula all matching stamped numbers. For $100, I guess it is good?

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I like Tula ... when you get it, I'll have some real specific question about details, but I very well might want it.

I skipped one important detail, I just read it now. The 91/30 is counterbored. I'll see if I can get the M44 for $100 without the 91/30.

Will likely be getting both or just the M44 tomorrow if I can make it.

If not, I will get them on Friday or something.

I guess I can always decide when I check them out in person.

Counterbore isn't necessarily a -bad- thing. In and of itself, it wouldn't make me reject an otherwise nice 91/30.

If this is a standard run-of-the-mill 1942, I wouldn't bother ... but since it's a Tula, I wonder if it might be an ex-sniper? Look for evidence that there might have been screw holes at one point ... in 1942, it might have been 3 small screw holes on either side at the front of the receiver, right above the wood line, with marks above the point of the Tula star on the barrel shank that look like ' c n '. But, it might also have had a side-mount scope at that time, in which case if you open the bolt you might see the end of a bolt or a screw sticking into the bolt channel from the left side. On the outside there probably won't be any traces left - they cut off the screws, welded them, and re-blued.

Regardless, Tula rifles are always nice to have. They're usually nicer than Izhevsk - the fit and finish is almost always better. If it's got a good bore - regardless of the counterbore - you might as well get it.




(If it IS an ex-sniper and the bore is decent, regardless of the counterbore, and you don't want it ... let me know. I might take it off your hands if the price is right ... )

Will have to check and see if it is an ex sniper. Have any links with reference pics?

The fit and finish is overall very nice. Much better than the IzhevskI had.

Mosins with AR:

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2792/mosinsar.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4243/mosinscut.jpg

M44 iron sights:
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/162/m44sightscr.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6861/m444.jpg

http://carteach0.blogspot.com/2009/03/is-your-9130-mosin-rifle-ex-sniper.html

Does not look like that on the inside... so I doubt it is.

There are some markings above the star though. Can't make it out, and the camera can't either. Looks like a T and a small R in a circle.

Look at this, see if any of it looks familiar ...


http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinFeatures08.htm

Here's my '42 Tula. Is it like this?



NM, you already knew it was a Tula. Sorry, I'm tired...

Don't think it has any of those screws. I will have a look later, but I am pretty sure it didn't.

Now you just need to adapt your car so you can shoot out of the trunk and your all set.

Forgot to update you, the 91/30 definitely wasn't an ex sniper.

Was actually a very nice gun, but I sold it to a friend.

Don't go wieldin' that thing in schools, sonny.

Uurastaja said:

Don't go wieldin' that thing in schools, sonny.

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still waiting for the, "OMG IS THAT FROM COD?!" comments

So it's a .45?

The Masta said:

So it's a .45?

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yeh, its cool.

dextronaut said:

still waiting for the, "OMG IS THAT FROM COD?!" comments

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That is from Call of doody!



Looks nice. Pretty big guns though. Too bad they cost an arm and a leg.

Wow some amazing gun collections on here. If I wasn't a poor college student I would have my own (it's ok though I'll wait a few years till I have a good job and then buy up everything )

Just out of curiosity, how do some of you have MG-42s/34s, AK-47s, STGs, PPsh, etc... I thought automatic weapons were illegal in most countries? I know I've seem some dudes firing MG-42s on youtube... how do you get permit for that? I'd love to own a MG-42 one day and fire it on full auto... Talk about being taken back in time.

In the USA a full auto MG-42 will cost you around $50,000.

If you live in the USA and what a full auto, you'll spend at least $5,000.

Best thing to do is rent one.


If you're in another country, can't help.

Might save up and get an M1 or something, I think we here in Britain are limited to deactivated guns, I'll have to check what exactly pertains a gun to 'vintage' status.

NoxNoctum said:

Wow some amazing gun collections on here. If I wasn't a poor college student I would have my own (it's ok though I'll wait a few years till I have a good job and then buy up everything )

Just out of curiosity, how do some of you have MG-42s/34s, AK-47s, STGs, PPsh, etc... I thought automatic weapons were illegal in most countries? I know I've seem some dudes firing MG-42s on youtube... how do you get permit for that? I'd love to own a MG-42 one day and fire it on full auto... Talk about being taken back in time.

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Depending on what your local chief law enforcement officer is like, it's not hard at all to own class III - aka full auto - weapons. You find something you like, pay the ATF its bribe - err, I mean 'tax stamp,' and assuming that neither they nor your CLEO have an issue, you take delivery of your new gun. Last time I talked to my brother in law, the tax stamp was only $200.00.

The big part of the expense, really, comes from the cost of transferrable machine guns. Because the supply is limited (the vagaries of law make any weapon manufactured post 1986 non-transferrable), and the demand is so high, it's EXPENSIVE. Starting price for a Mac-10 is going to be $3000 plus - there's a couple on Auction Arms right now with buy-it-now's at $3000 for .45ACP and $3200 for an M10A1 in 9mm. An M-16 will run you north of $20,000, easily.

Seriously, if you want a machine gun, your best bet is to apply for a class 7 FFL, and then pay for a special occupational taxpayer certificate. Yeah, you'll have to renew every few years, and that will add up over time, but you won't have to pay for a new tax stamp every time you acquire a machine gun, and you'll also have access to post-1986 weapons as 'dealer samples,' and you'll be able to make your own without legal hassles. So long as you buy and sell a few here and there - preferably if you make a few to sell as either dealer samples or to law enforcement - so you can show that you've actually got a business going and it's not just for entertainment purposes, you'll be good with the ATF, and if you know how to run a milling machine well enough, your local law enforcement might even like you because they'll have a fairly cheap source of fun toys.

If I could convince my wife to move out of the godd****d People's Republik of Kalifornia, that's the route that I'd go ....