Increased Stamina Pool - Classic Only Round 2 - Page 4

=GG= Mr Moe · #61 08-10-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikita

God is it evident when people haven't even so much as touched a real rifle before...

...but let's just stay on topic. More stamina in Classic needed, agreed? Agreed.

Agreed

Comrade Kaizer · #62 08-19-2012, 07:04 PM

Think a little speed increase would be necessary as well. Something subtle, not entirely identical to Realism Mode sprint speed but noticeable.

Nikita · #63 08-19-2012, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Comrade Kaizer

Think a little speed increase would be necessary as well. Something subtle, not entirely identical to Realism Mode sprint speed but noticeable.

One thing at a time... let's see how the stamina increase goes (should go fantastically) and see where things go from there.

Comrade Kaizer · #64 08-20-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikita

One thing at a time... let's see how the stamina increase goes (should go fantastically) and see where things go from there.

Sorry, but I'm sure regardless of how fantastically it goes, I still would be opinionated to a speed increase. Stating it here isn't hurting anyone.

r5cya · #65 08-20-2012, 03:30 PM

sorry to get the thread back on topic, but has anyone heard how much of a stamina increase, we are lkely to see for classic, in the next beta patch?

Comrade Kaizer · #66 08-20-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by r5cya

sorry to get the thread back on topic, but has anyone heard how much of a stamina increase, we are lkely to see for classic, in the next beta patch?

Nobody has heard anything, once it's live - Yoshiro will probably specify details on the forums - as usual.

Westernesse · #67 08-23-2012, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by >< f4ct0r...13

Why not do a test? Take a reasonably fit person, put a little weight on them, a gun in their hands, find out how far they can sprint, and how fast.

I betcha most people will only be able to hack about 75 yards and it will be somewhere in the 20 second range.

There is probably also endless studies and tables on the subject on the net too.

It shouldn't be what people want, it should be what it is.

Well, you aren't really going full out sprint in RO2, its a fast jog, the animation is wrong for a full sprint (longer strides, more arm spring, heavier footfalls, the sound of soldiers sprinting w/ gear in combat boots is loud). Even at the least fit points in my life where I barely exercised for a year, I could do 400m in under 2 minutes and continue that for a 1600m.

Now these are soldiers who should of been through basic training, maybe some of the Russians were just conscripts, but running is one of the main things you do there, so they are trained to cover ground in gear fast. They should prob be able to go faster than they are in game. Is it good for game balance? prob not, I'm not sure I'd change, but I dislike seeing people try to justify the pitiful amounts of stamina we have in game with real life comparisons. Also, consider this is the in the 40s and in Russia or Germany where it would be much more common to bike or walk to where you needed to go, rather than drive like we do so the average person was most likely slightly more fit than todays average person. Soldiers are not that unfit, the guys they give draft exceptions to might be though.

I'd still like to see it to where we can run say 600m at a slightly slower pace, but if you run lower on stamina you get significant penalties to everything. Running out would make you stop and gasp for breath, basically disabling you for a short time period, also you would rarely be able to hit your target if your out/low on stamina. Thus you have the ability to cover lots of ground, but wouldn't use it because you'd get killed when you got there since your almost defenseless. Iron sighting unsupported should also drain stamina and walking should stop it from regenerating.

Nikita · #68 08-23-2012, 02:04 AM

Here are some thoughts regarding movement:

I definitely think that Classic Mode is due for a stamina increase. You can't even make it 75 meters as a Rifleman without running out of steam right now. As an Engineer? Forget it.

Sprint Speed: First, Westernesse makes a good point--the soldiers here aren't running an all-out competitive 100m dash. Yes, they are running for their lives, but they're also presumably running with the mindset that if they totally drain themselves, they won't be able to fight at the other end. It's impractical to run at such a speed (with a significant cost in energy) that you're doubled over, wheezing, clutching your knees at the end of your sprint. In the 100m dash, that's perfectly fine--it's a one-time track heat, and going all-out has no consequences since you don't have to wrestle a Nazi at the finish line.

In addition, after spending six weeks this summer in a rural third-world country, I realized that it's not so much the equipment or weapon that matter... but rather the boots, clothes, and the terrain. Sprinting in long cotton pants and boots on grass and earth actually slows you down considerably. It's like swinging mini-weights from your feet. Granted, German jackboots or the Soviet equivalent might weigh less than my hiking boots, but they are also taller.

Doing some rudimentary testing, it very roughly takes 21 seconds to run 100m in Classic (Stamina runs out around after about 12 seconds, with a whole 40m to go). It takes 15 seconds to run the same distance in Realism. (Stamina runs out just as you reach the end).

Running 50m, however, takes 9.5 seconds in Classic, and 8.3 seconds in Realism. Not alltogether that different...

...just thinking aloud again. Don't mind me.