Ok. Let me retract my entire thread. If TWI includes bipods and a scope for hand grenades, I will not dislike the attachment system anymore. I pinky promise.
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My thread which you should read and not flame.
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Ok. Let me retract my entire thread. If TWI includes bipods and a scope for hand grenades, I will not dislike the attachment system anymore. I pinky promise.
Noted and no offense taken.
I was referring to my unit-mate Alois Himmel in the screenshot thread who never made such a comparison. I believe you are referring to Skittles.
My unit-mates can be a tad elitist at time, but it's usually amongst ourselves. It doesn't get past our Public face of professionalism. Well, it's not supposed to.
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The drug dealer thing was a joke. I wasn't making a comparison to them. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Persistent stats are great. Lets hope that more time was spent on defining the paramenters than was spent on the RO achievements.
One of the things that I found interesting is that the carrots being offered to these other potential players are the exact same as the carrots of the other popular shooters (where are they now?). "One must grind to be uber". The emphasis in shooters is being led to grinding instead of becoming a better player. Instant gratification, yes. Actual tangible gain? No. Long-term replayability, lost.
In spending resources to copy what has come before, and to cater to the "leveling market", this many-year RO player feels that a real opportunity to produce a truly original experience has been lost.
Make no mistake, its about the money. It seems that nowadays, everyone wants to level their character instead of themselves. The problem with this is that it gets boring for a shooter player. Fast. The only people who do not get bored with this play offering are the most committed leveling players, and there are much better games to get one's level fix than RO/RO2. So, perhaps a million copies will be sold. Let's hope so. What happens to the game once the leveling gets old and the community is splintered? The game goes away.
What had happened if the game carrot had been a gaming paradigm where heroes and the like are created by their actions? Have you ever heard of a game called Advanced Squad Leader? There were instances in that game where battle hardening or heroes would emerge as a result of the action, not the turn number.
Imagine a RO2 that gave heroic attributes to a player who does heroic things in game. This paradigm dovetails nicely into Valve achivements. When heroic actions are performed heroic events are triggered, and different things can happen (to the environment, to the player, to players around them... engage imagination). This does a number of things, but the most profound effects from a replayability standpoint is that anyone can be a hero (just like real life), and the heroic events paradigm can be continually built upon (giving endless opportunity for game growth in many different directions).
One of the unique things about RO is that one could be a hero simply by being a hero, not by having more time in game, or a faster load time, than the others. One will still be able to be a significant contributor to the HOS battlefield, but personally, everything I do will be de-emphasized because I know I am playing a watered-down game against watered-down players. This is simply because I am so against leveling as a shooting type game.
Its not the amount of time my avatar spends in game that makes me better, it is how I spend the time in my game that makes me better.
With only the info on this site, I believe TWI lost a significant opportunity to create a unique multi-player experience in favor of the industry direction, which is to incorporate psuedo single player scripted win and leveling into multiplayer.
Skill and Game Experience > Consumer Psychology
One of the things that I found interesting is that the carrots being offered to these other potential players are the exact same as the carrots of the other popular shooters (where are they now?). "One must grind to be uber". The emphasis in shooters is being led to grinding instead of becoming a better player. Instant gratification, yes. Actual tangible gain? No. Long-term replayability, lost.
In spending resources to copy what has come before, and to cater to the "leveling market", this many-year RO player feels that a real opportunity to produce a truly original experience has been lost.
Make no mistake, its about the money. It seems that nowadays, everyone wants to level their character instead of themselves. The problem with this is that it gets boring for a shooter player. Fast. The only people who do not get bored with this play offering are the most committed leveling players, and there are much better games to get one's level fix than RO/RO2. So, perhaps a million copies will be sold. Let's hope so. What happens to the game once the leveling gets old and the community is splintered? The game goes away.
What had happened if the game carrot had been a gaming paradigm where heroes and the like are created by their actions? Have you ever heard of a game called Advanced Squad Leader? There were instances in that game where battle hardening or heroes would emerge as a result of the action, not the turn number.
Imagine a RO2 that gave heroic attributes to a player who does heroic things in game. This paradigm dovetails nicely into Valve achivements. When heroic actions are performed heroic events are triggered, and different things can happen (to the environment, to the player, to players around them... engage imagination). This does a number of things, but the most profound effects from a replayability standpoint is that anyone can be a hero (just like real life), and the heroic events paradigm can be continually built upon (giving endless opportunity for game growth in many different directions).
One of the unique things about RO is that one could be a hero simply by being a hero, not by having more time in game, or a faster load time, than the others. One will still be able to be a significant contributor to the HOS battlefield, but personally, everything I do will be de-emphasized because I know I am playing a watered-down game against watered-down players. This is simply because I am so against leveling as a shooting type game.
Its not the amount of time my avatar spends in game that makes me better, it is how I spend the time in my game that makes me better.
With only the info on this site, I believe TWI lost a significant opportunity to create a unique multi-player experience in favor of the industry direction, which is to incorporate psuedo single player scripted win and leveling into multiplayer.
Skill and Game Experience > Consumer Psychology
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This thing count?
Spoiler!
Not hand grenadesbut I wanted to troll a bit.
You know... a Granatb
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I don't see any of the addons or stats features to be there simply for attracting new players. Like it or not it does add some needed depth to the game. Those of us who loved Ostfront and the mod for its bare-bones gameplay will either enjoy the added features in RO2 even more, or they will simply continue enjoying the (improved) bare-bones gameplay.
I'm only really worried about the community it's going to attract. Hate me for saying it but I generally dislike those that surround the current Call of Duty and Battlefield audience, and some of those that show up even in the Killing Floor community. These forums are eventually going to be swamped with posts concerning RO2's weapon balance, complaining, and whatnot, and it's going to take time to get over that phase. I'm really just hoping the integration of that kind of crowd doesn't hurt RO's image or Tripwire's image.
I'm only really worried about the community it's going to attract. Hate me for saying it but I generally dislike those that surround the current Call of Duty and Battlefield audience, and some of those that show up even in the Killing Floor community. These forums are eventually going to be swamped with posts concerning RO2's weapon balance, complaining, and whatnot, and it's going to take time to get over that phase. I'm really just hoping the integration of that kind of crowd doesn't hurt RO's image or Tripwire's image.
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You need to get out of the box.
It doesn't add needed depth, it copies the depths of other games, using a method of player reward that is quickly being recognized as a play on consumer psychology.
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Even the Panzerfaust prototype (Faustpatrone) didn't come about until late 1943 so a big no. The Granatb
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It always was , at Tobruk the Aussies , let the tanks through , stopped the inf....result , scrap metal
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I like the weird and rare stuff, heroes and all that that a lot of people seem to hate.
What I dislike, is the RPG style unlocking system. Sometimes is IMO better not having to worry about too many things, and leveling occupies a great deal of attention I'd rather place in the gameplay itself.
What I dislike, is the RPG style unlocking system. Sometimes is IMO better not having to worry about too many things, and leveling occupies a great deal of attention I'd rather place in the gameplay itself.
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What makes me so puzzled is people's perception that new "elite" gear will be the thing that draws in the masses to RO2. I don't think anyone thinks, "hey, unlocks! Cool, I'mma buy this game!" Unlocks might keep people playing over the years, sure, but it's not what draws people in in the first place (IMO).
I've played the game for 4 years, but I'm ready to welcome change. I can't wait to be that lowly private, armed with a crap, discarded mosin when I see a grizzled Russian with a battered helmet run by me, waving me onward. Because I know I'm going to follow. The hero system is brilliant because it gives people who are new to the game a visual cue that says, "hey, follow me. I know what I'm doing." And that, I feel is something worth trying out because I know our comunity will do well in guiding new players into the new RO.
I've played the game for 4 years, but I'm ready to welcome change. I can't wait to be that lowly private, armed with a crap, discarded mosin when I see a grizzled Russian with a battered helmet run by me, waving me onward. Because I know I'm going to follow. The hero system is brilliant because it gives people who are new to the game a visual cue that says, "hey, follow me. I know what I'm doing." And that, I feel is something worth trying out because I know our comunity will do well in guiding new players into the new RO.
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i would not mind if they took leveling up & unlocks out. but keep the stat tracking, i like to see how good/bad of a player i am, and makes me want to improve if my stats are totally ****
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