Mkb42(H) recoil

Unus Offa Unus Nex · Sep 20, 2011

Been using the Mkb42(H) for a good number of hours ingame now, just to get a better feel for it, and I gotta say the recoil is infact abit too excessive compared to the real thing at the moment when firing full auto.

Now it's been a couple of years since I last had my hands on a real StG, but I can tell you for sure that it didn't have this much recoil. Even compared to the AK47, which in real life actually kicks more than an StG thanks to a heavier bolt, the ingame Mkb42 kicks back more.

Now it aint completely bad though, just needs to be toned down abit, esp. the sideways recoil which I have never experienced that bad with an StG before.

Just to show what I mean:
MP-44 Full Auto - YouTube

Anyway, just some constructive criticism

PS: Tone down the ingame availability of the weapon to two max pr. map as-well plz, 6 of these is a real immersion breaker for me personally :-/

MadGelo · Sep 20, 2011

yea,

lets just make it a railgun

this is a game, and for the sake of balance at the end of the day reality doesn't matter that much

RobertHammer · Sep 20, 2011

STG44/MP44 is more stable than his prototype Mkb42 , thats why it have bigger recoil

Arkhell · Sep 20, 2011

it's not an StG it's an MkB aka prototype, it's heavyer then the StG and slightly different since it's not the last version.

just like the G41 is actually way heavyer then the G43 so less stabile.

RobertHammer · Sep 20, 2011

Found a proper video - you see the Mkb still kicks more than Mp44

German MKB MP42(h) Sturmgewehr machine gun - YouTube

Homuth · Sep 20, 2011

Heavier so less stable? That makes no sense at all to me. When I kick against a light weight paper box, the box flies through the air. When I kick against a stone it will only move a few inches and hurts my foot as f*ck.

Can you explain your reasoning? I not sure I understand.

[-project.rattus-] · Sep 20, 2011

Additionally, as has been pointed out before, these videos are completely irrelevant when itcomes down to com paring recoil:

1) While it may apper to be almost stationary during firing, that doesn't mean the sight picture doesn't jump. Seeing that the in game iron sight view is akin to a camera glued to the gun, even small movevemnts of the gun result in huge deviations of the sight picture.

2) different states of training, strength and fatigue all come into play aswell.

skewp · Sep 20, 2011

Yea the weapon is deffinitely not powerful enough. Being an assault rifle with 30 rounds of selective fire and 800 meters effective range and all. Tone down that recoil it's too much!

Arkhell · Sep 20, 2011

Homuth said:
Heavier so less stable? That makes no sense at all to me. When I kick against a light weight paper box, the box flies through the air. When I kick against a stone it will only move a few inches and hurts my foot as f*ck.

Can you explain your reasoning? I not sure I understand.

depends what part is heavyer, if the front side is heavyer you will need more force to kick it up yes, but also more force to force it down again when it's actually going up thanks to recoil, it's also harder to keep it steady cause of the weight your trying to hold up in the air.

Nenjin · Sep 20, 2011

Well, just from the acoustics, it seems like it has significantly more kick than the one in game.

Homuth · Sep 20, 2011

RobertHammer said:
Found a proper video - you see the Mkb still kicks more than Mp44

Different guy, maybe different ammo, there's no way you could say from that video the MKB kicks more. To me it seems about the same, they don't shoot in the same bursts either so it's harder to tell.

NympH · Sep 20, 2011

OP = Troll.

Forssen · Sep 20, 2011

I think it's hard to compare the recoil with real life counterparts in this way since the way you compensate for the recoil in game is quite different from the real thing. If there is something to compare with it should be groupings.

Mr. Charles · Sep 20, 2011

Homuth said:
Different guy, maybe different ammo, there's no way you could say from that video the MKB kicks more. To me it seems about the same, they don't shoot in the same bursts either so it's harder to tell.

It is also a different rifle. The OP has got a STG44, while the video in RobertHammer's (hi there btw

) is actually a real Mkb.42(H).

Andross · Sep 20, 2011

Unus Offa said:
Been using the Mkb42(H) for a good number of hours ingame now, just to get a better feel for it, and I gotta say the recoil is infact abit too excessive compared to the real thing at the moment when firing full auto.

Now it's been a couple of years since I last had my hands on a real StG, but I can tell you for sure that it didn't have this much recoil. Even compared to the AK47, which in real life actually kicks more than an StG thanks to a heavier bolt, the ingame Mkb42 kicks back more.

Now it aint completely bad though, just needs to be toned down abit, esp. the sideways recoil which I have never experienced that bad with an StG before.

Just to show what I mean:
MP-44 Full Auto - YouTube

Anyway, just some constructive criticism

PS: Tone down the ingame availability of the weapon to two max pr. map as-well plz, 6 of these is a real immersion breaker for me personally :-/

watch some other videos ... the recoil of the MP44 is gigantic and because the weapon is so heavy, its very hard to control .... in the first video the weapon was controlled by a meatmountain with over 100 kg ...

theta123 · Sep 20, 2011

Yes! let us take the already OP MKB42 and give it even less recoil!
And while we are at it, even increase the recoil the PPSH even more!

My god..

Mr. Charles · Sep 20, 2011

Andross said:
watch some other videos ... the recoil of the MP44 is gigantic and because the weapon is so heavy, its very hard to control .... in the first video the weapon was controlled by a meatmountain with over 100 kg ...

The heavier a rifle is, the weaker is its' recoil.

Leopardi · Sep 20, 2011

the recoil of MKB is okay. You can keep it stable like that by pulling the mouse down a little. You could make every gun stable but whats the point of that, no individual weapon handling skill anymore.

RobertHammer · Sep 20, 2011

I think the recoil is good and it just need a switch to semi automatic - just like AVT-40 can switch to semi

Argenguy · Sep 20, 2011

Both the MKb and Stg have a stock in line with the barrel axis, that reduces a lot the recoil, but they also have a chunky bolt and operative rod assembly, but compensates it with slow rate of fire.

The AK-47 shares the same quirk of heavy bolt and oprod, but also has a faster rate of fire, a hotter round and a angled stock, this translates in more recoil.

In game, the Mkb recoil is a little strong but manageable.

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