What happened with the Haft-Hohlladung?

It would need a timer then. ATM it detonates on impact.

But yeah, those magnets wouldn't stick if thrown. Not big enough. Big enough magnets would make the thing many times more heavy and thus not throwable... lol

Another problem is getting run over by the tank. That would happen more often than surviving the ordeal of running up to one and sticking a charge on the side without the game saying you were killed because your toe touched the tank treads.

The first time I tried to use it just assumed you had to run up and plant it on the tank - kind of like in RO1 with a satchel charge. Boy, was I surprised when I ran up next to the T-34, clicked the left mouse, and watch it fly up and over the tank and away! D'OH!

But I agree, it should be planted, not thrown.

yea, the throwing range is pitiful on this thing. Was playing on the snowy/night map with alot of warehouses and trains, forgot what it's called, but I was playing as engineer, as I wasn't impressed with the AT Rifle (more like I wasn't sure were to shoot the tank, but I digress). So I pull out the tank mine, and I was hiding behind a section of a stand-alone wall. I see two Ruskies run up and hide in a ditch, several metres from my wall. So thinking my guy is going to actually throw the grenade, I throw it over, and as I'm throwing it, I can tell **** is about to hit the fan, as he tosses it as one would with a cinder block. Immediately I book it, sprinting the opposite direction, and here the big BOOM! and see two mangled corpses get thrown in front of me, I was laughing my head off.

Yes they need to be plantable...as it is now people just use the AT grenades as anti-personnel grenades which is incredibly unrealistic...

As it stands now, people just play engineer role like any other anti-personnel role and throw satchels and AT grenades to clear out rooms...

Mike133 said:

As it stands now, people just play engineer role like any other anti-personnel role and throw satchels

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Not to nitpick, but satchels were used for that, though mostly thrown inside of bunkers.

I've killed more infantry with it than tanks...

Derpus said:

Not to nitpick, but satchels were used for that, though mostly thrown inside of bunkers.

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You're correct that that was one use for satchels...although a rather limited use it was...

In single-player training it shows you how to blow a door with a satchel...none of that in multiplayer...and pre-release we were told that certain buildings and cover would be destroyable>>that would be a good use for satchels...as it stands now, sandbags sit unmoving like concrete and the only thing you can blow up are dinky little wooden fences>>so the only use that satchels have knowing all that is as GIANT anti-personnel grenades or tank killing (which hardly ever happens because of AT grenades or the face that tanks are really hard to approach in most maps)

so the engineer class degenerates into an Assault class with a ton of explosives that arent used strategically for blowing cover up but instead used like GIANT frag grenades

many a time ive seen engineers just spam satchels and at grenades till they die then rinse and repeat without ever touching the mp40

I keep seeing realism thrown around in a "they didn't do that in WW2" way. Surely this game is about placing you in WW2, and I knew for sure I'd turn around to the commander and complain I'm out of AT grenades after using them for room clearing. I also regularly throw my gun away so I can sprint faster. I don't care if people did or didn't do that in WW2, I'm given the choice and that's what really makes this game great.

The reason why it was thrown because it would be heavily inbalanced for the germans to have to place in onto tanks

Don't all thrown objects kind of "stick" to tanks anyway? Just change it so it no longer detonates on impact and it will feel a little more realistic. It will also be less appealing as an anti infantry weapon because it will no longer blow up in your enemy's face (guilty of using this tactic ).

Mike133 said:

You're correct that that was one use for satchels...although a rather limited use it was...

In single-player training it shows you how to blow a door with a satchel...none of that in multiplayer...and pre-release we were told that certain buildings and cover would be destroyable>>that would be a good use for satchels...as it stands now, sandbags sit unmoving like concrete and the only thing you can blow up are dinky little wooden fences>>so the only use that satchels have knowing all that is as GIANT anti-personnel grenades or tank killing (which hardly ever happens because of AT grenades or the face that tanks are really hard to approach in most maps)

so the engineer class degenerates into an Assault class with a ton of explosives that arent used strategically for blowing cover up but instead used like GIANT frag grenades

many a time ive seen engineers just spam satchels and at grenades till they die then rinse and repeat without ever touching the mp40

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There is cover and doors you can blow up in Red October Factory (the door at A, left side for the russians, the welding shed left side and windows, as well as the house at E, left side) and Pavlov's house.

Lettland said:

Boy, was I surprised when I ran up next to the T-34, clicked the left mouse, and watch it fly up and over the tank and away! D'OH!

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not as surprised as when i went to "attach" it and it blew me the hell up!

i have about 9 tanks kills with that bad boy love at nades

Wasn't this thing a shaped charge?
It should be very ineffective against infantry.

I've only used it once and I ran up to the tank expecting to have it placed on the tank only to watch my guy throw it, just one more thing in this game that had me shaking my head in dissapointment.

Using the underhand throw should place it. (Seeing as the overhand throw is already shorter than than a strong underhand with normal grenades...)

Yes. We need the authentic haufalaufashnaufadaung.

Scrappa said:

How will it be more realistic? It will still look retarded when he throws it and it lands on top and sticks there. Nobody is using the AT mines/grenades correctly at the moment and the timer wont change anything because it wont be long enough to give the infantry time to run. Satchels are fine as they are but the AT mines/grenades are stupid and are being used like normal grenades with a bit more power.

The german AT Grenade/Mine is a shaped charge. All the explosive force goes in one direction and melts through tank armour so it wouldn't explode in the way it does ingame anyway.

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I didn't say it would be perfect, but if I'm not mistaken, a fuse would actually be realistic. You also cant criticize the fuse length when it hasn't even been implemented.

IF it was modeled 100% accurately, it might be more trouble than it's actually worth. Assuming you are right about the fuse (which I don't think you are): "it wont be long enough to give the infantry time to run" - what makes you think the planter will have a better chance? And who is going to walk up to a tank and stand there for 2-3 seconds to plant a bomb? It is the most vulnerable position you can be in and that's if you are lucky enough to avoid getting shot or run over on your way there. At least with a short range, thrown device, you can use it behind cover or from a trench, which is better from a gameplay perspective.

Yes, I usually prefer realistic weapon modeling, but this is one of those cases where I could go either way. If TW wants to model it correctly and make Axis AT a challenge (suicide), then I'm ok with it, but I'm not angry about it being a thrown weapon either.

A fuse alone would probably be enough to make the AT nades "balanced", though, I wouldn't mind having a longer throw radius for the Russian variant at the cost of power. Having the fuse would make it easy enough for infantry to avoid and it would give the player enough time to throw it from ~3feet and take cover. That being said, if you want to get up close and personal with the tank, I will gladly provide the cover fire .



If you want to be really nitpicky, the weapons should look something like:

Hafthohlladung
- current throw range / alt fire "plant" (pretty sure an underhand toss could pass for this given the uber short range)
- instant tank kill
- 4-5 second fuse (accurate for the period based on Google search)

RPG40
- regular grenade throw distance
- weak against armor
- (?) fuse time

There, you have asymmetrical balance where the Russian side still manages to get the short end of the stick .

Leweegibo said:

not as surprised as when i went to "attach" it and it blew me the hell up!

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Same here, ran right up to the tank and only realized my mistake when my guy began his overhand throw at the tank.