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Shotgun and Support suggestion

I concur with this.

Thank you! I can't believe he got 3 likes for that misnformative post (it's misleading to what im suggesting plus it's just plain wrong)

Well he might be 1 lower overall but is that really a bad thing? Just means he can't take a Katana if he buys the AA-12 and HS, or a pipe bomb if he carries the Pump action and the LAW. Looks to me like it eases up the only slight wince I had at the Supports flexibility ;)
Well, i was afraid of nerfing him as that would perhaps give an enormous outcry of rage :eek:

Seems a shame to ruin that nice little perk rogression table you have there for the perk progression for the sake or 1 rather useless weight block (Slightly modified)

0=15 (unchanged from how it is now)
1=16
2=17
3=18
4=19
5=20
6=21
That would look much nicer yeah, but one of the very reasons i gave him 1 block bonus already at level 0 was so he could carry 2 shotguns from the start (you know, like all other perks can do with their weapons from the beginning as well :p)
If we go with your level progression (which i admit is better and i was thinking of doing first, but thought it didn't help the perk THAT much) and my weapon weights, you can carry two weapons at level 1 (Sg+Hsg).
If we have your level progression and your weapon weight suggestion you can pair Shotgun + one of the others at level 2 (which is not that much of a change in the first place, but better than nothing i suppose :)).

I will consider to change the perk bonuses (the nicer looking progression) though.
EDIT: I did it right away lol :p Your perk progression but keeping my weapon weights (it all looks much smoother together :rolleyes: )

I think about it and it's the best way compare to first idea. It's useless to have +1 block with lv0.
Just like i said in the initial post and many times over now: That would not be uselesss if you changed the weapon weights as i suggested, as then you would be able to carry Shotgun + Hunting Shotgun from level 0 Support
 
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Oh right. Derp. >-<
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Reading your signature links and this thread, you make good suggestions Aze. (At least I think they're good.)

Wow! :eek:
That's a very nice comment. Warms my heart :eek: Thank you! :D

Maybe but wth some hours of playing you are lv1 support. Then no matter to have it on lv0

True. I did change the weights with the progression Undedd suggested, so it looks way smoother now. Still keeping my Shotgun weights though :p (goes very nicely hand in hand ^^)
 
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I read through all of this and it has come to my attention that these forums are turning into the steam forums; trolled and full of people who agree with suggestions that have been discussed 1000 times before(the final answer always being an obvious no).

That's a troll if I ever saw one.

On-topic, this would help people get off the bottom levels of Support. It's not a major issue but I'm all for having this implemented sometime soon, if not next patch.
 
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Actaully Ive noticed that too... :(
A lot of the very good dieas will never get anywhere... It isn't fair to just be a complete pessimist though. :p Some things will have to get implemented, even if they're simply bug fixes like the M14 slightly off iron Sight.
I think that this will be fine, there should be no problem with the new weights or carry restrictions. Nice work guys.

But yes, it probably won't get added, things from this forum sadly don't get implemented very often. This is probably due to the amount of stupid suggestions that get added and the repeat suggestions. Maybe that is an idea; get rid of all the repetitve posts...
 
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Which means, not only didn't you read the suggestion properly, but what you said isn't true in any single way anyhow.
I said I think. It's my opinion. The suggestions in these forums are a battle of opinions and I voice mine to be against this idea. I stand by it. Deal with it.

The only reason you suggested this, was so you can carry more weapons. I think this would make the support imbalanced. Boom.
 
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I said I think. It's my opinion. The suggestions in these forums are a battle of opinions and I voice mine to be against this idea. I stand by it. Deal with it.

Wow... you baffle me (in a bad way)

First of all: If there is someone with facts and there is someone who just THINKS something, and the guy with facts proves the "thinks-guy" wrong, then my advice to the "thinks-guy" is: Humble yourself and admit you are wrong. No need to go defensive and try and act "cool" with insults.

Yes, this is different when it's about opinion vs opinion, however i am posting facts with the numbers i'm sharing, and you were posting false facts (plus an opinion, but that's ok, however, it's not an accurate opinion due to your base "facts" being completely wrong PLUS you are accusing me of things which i am not suggesting. Why? Cuz you didn't read my suggestion!)
If you are gonna try and counter the suggestion, then read the whole suggestion and counter it with REAL FACTS. After that, you can say your opinion. So, shame on you Sammers!

The only reason you suggested this, was so you can carry more weapons. I think this would make the support imbalanced. Boom.
Wow, just WOW!
I suggested all those stuff in the initial post to:
1) Make sure the "normal" (shotgun-carrying) Support, gets as unaffected as possible (sorrily enough, it ends with a 1-weight NERF for a AA12+Shotgun-wielder)
2) To NERF the Support Specialist from being able to carry too many lightweight weapons (which would be both good now, and a great possible future prevention if more smallarms are added)
3) To make the Shotguns a LITTLE bit more easy to carry non-perked (in particular the regular Shotgun)

So please Sammers: Read the whole suggestion, skip the douchy attitude and THEN please state your opinion what you think of it. Please? :)
 
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Wow... you baffle me (in a bad way)

First of all: If there is someone with facts and there is someone who just THINKS something, and the guy with facts proves the "thinks-guy" wrong, then my advice to the "thinks-guy" is: Humble yourself and admit you are wrong. No need to go defensive and try and act "cool" with insults.

Yes, this is different when it's about opinion vs opinion, however i am posting facts with the numbers i'm sharing, and you were posting false facts (plus an opinion, but that's ok, however, it's not an accurate opinion due to your base "facts" being completely wrong PLUS you are accusing me of things which i am not suggesting. Why? Cuz you didn't read my suggestion!)
If you are gonna try and counter the suggestion, then read the whole suggestion and counter it with REAL FACTS. After that, you can say your opinion. So, shame on you Sammers!

Wow, just WOW!
I suggested all those stuff in the initial post to:
1) Make sure the "normal" (shotgun-carrying) Support, gets as unaffected as possible (sorrily enough, it ends with a 1-weight NERF for a AA12+Shotgun-wielder)
2) To NERF the Support Specialist from being able to carry too many lightweight weapons (which would be both good now, and a great possible future prevention if more smallarms are added)
3) To make the Shotguns a LITTLE bit more easy to carry non-perked (in particular the regular Shotgun)

So please Sammers: Read the whole suggestion, skip the douchy attitude and THEN please state your opinion what you think of it. Please? :)

I agree but I prefer NOT to nerf that much.

#1:I recommand 16+x kg capacity for support,which means 16kg(instead of 15 kg) for LV0 support,and 22 for LV6 support.

#2:Making the pump/huntty/AA12 weight 7/9/9. (Havn't you noticed that the xbow had became 9kg? It used to be another 10kg weapon)

In this way:

Support with AA12/huntty weight 19/22 instead of 21/24. Still 3kg available.
Support with pump and another shotgun weigh 17/22 instead of 19/24. Still 5kg available.

BUT FOR THOSE WHO CARRY OTHER PERK WEAPONS,THEY LOSE 2kg.
It can be a terrific idea.
 
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First of all: If there is someone with facts and there is someone who just THINKS something, and the guy with facts proves the "thinks-guy" wrong, then my advice to the "thinks-guy" is: Humble yourself and admit you are wrong. No need to go defensive and try and act "cool" with insults.
HEY. Let's get one thing straight.

Is it just me who thinks the Shotguns are a LITTLE bit too heavy?

THIS, isn't fact. You THINK these shotguns weigh too much.

NONE of these suggestions were based on fact. You think the Shotguns should be lighter; I don't. It's as simple as that. Fact NEVER came into this.

Just sounds like you have trouble understanding that I dislike this idea, so wise up. There is no fact that can dissuade my opinion. We didn't completely rebalance Killing Floor just so you could ruin it again.

And I never insulted you. Ever.
 
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HEY. Let's get one thing straight.

THIS, isn't fact. You THINK these shotguns weigh too much.

NONE of these suggestions were based on fact. You think the Shotguns should be lighter; I don't. It's as simple as that. Fact NEVER came into this.

Just sounds like you have trouble understanding that I dislike this idea, so wise up. There is no fact that can dissuade my opinion. We didn't completely rebalance Killing Floor just so you could ruin it again.

And I never insulted you. Ever.

I'm ok with you disliking this suggestion, and im totally ok with you not wanting the Support perk and its weaponry to be changed, but there are 2 important things to keep in mind when doing so:

1) Don't have such an aweful attitude. Nobody likes a douche. If you haven't noticed by now, alot of people dislike your attitude here on the forums.
2) If you dislike it (which is ok), don't try to make the suggesting person look bad by posting false facts. By this i mean your "able to carry all 3 shotguns"-post, which is completely false, and, to those other people who are too lazy to read the whole suggestion (like you apparently didn't do first either) will think i haven't thought about balancing the Support Specialist's perk weight bonus as well. Aka, you are trying to make me look bad by using lies.

Besides, me thinking the Shotgun is a little bit too heavy is an opinion which fortunately also goes hand in hand with balancing the Support Specialist's ability to carry very many lightweight weapons. Meaning, my opinion goes quite well in hand together with a possible balancing aspect.

And, I'm sorry if my first response to you was kinda aggressive, but you did make me (possibly, by lazy readers) look stupid like if i didn't balance it further, and you got many "likes" for it, which probably makes you understand why i was kinda aggressive, no?

So, by all means, i don't mind that you dislike my suggestion. But, please, don't try to make me look bad by using lies, ok?

EDIT: Oh btw, i was with you guys (with numbers and stuff) to balance things in the Beta. I was the one who showed evidence to fix the Hunting Shotgun, remember? And you think stuff like "We didn't completely rebalance Killing Floor just so i can ruin it again" is not an insult?
 
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