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The "anything" thread

On the marriage debate: I can't see why that should be forbidden, as in the Austria I live in, as opposed to Drakon's Austria, marriage is not about getting children, but it's a state with financial and legal benefits for both people involved...

But in other marriage news: I remember from my first history lectures at university, that earliy christians vouched to abandon premarital sex, and marriage being not divorceable to counter the overpopulation of Rome. The simply wanted to keep people from reproducing by outlawing the sex before marriage, and discourage marriage by it's long time consequences.
 
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Your only possible option is Vermont.

It's a very liberal state, and I believe gay marriage is legal there. It is also, however, and quite uniquely for such a liberal place, very relaxed on the issue of firearms. So long as you're legally able to own a gun, you can carry - openly or concealed - without a permit there. The disqualifiers are basically the federal disqualifiers - restraining orders, domestic violence conviction, drug addiction, immigration status, felony conviction, and having previously been adjudicated as mentally incompetant.

*takes notes*

Anyway, after today, I have to say finding a job is hard as hell. I've spent the day in various job centres and I've been scouring the high street with no results. :confused: However, there's volunteer police work I could have a look at...
 
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Just tell that to my cousin and her partner, who've adopted a child and gave it a loving home (cuz otherwise it would have been dead).
Well good luck to the kid at school. You people, merely those who simply disvoted my post or replied with "Your opinion is wrong"(nice antithesis there), need a reality check. If a kid would have to tell his classmates that he has two fathers he'd get bullied into suicide. We're not living in Utopia unfortunately. So if you seriously think society is ready for that(in general, not just one in 100.000) you simply have no idea of the practical reality that there is. I'm dealing with 3-15 year olds everyday in my job and know how they're thinking. And in europe you don't even have the stereotypical jocks vs nerds syndrom.

Besides that birth rates have been decreasing drastically over the last years/few decades. So instead of talking about gay marriage the primary focus should be on making marriage combined with getting kids more attractive again.

And of course there are exceptions like PUTZ' lesbian cousin, but exceptions prove the rule.
 
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Well good luck to the kid at school. You people, merely those who simply disvoted my post or replied with "Your opinion is wrong"(nice antithesis there), need a reality check. If a kid would have to tell his classmates that he has two fathers he'd get bullied into suicide. We're not living in Utopia unfortunately. So if you seriously think society is ready for that(in general, not just one in 100.000) you simply have no idea of the practical reality that there is. I'm dealing with 3-15 year olds everyday in my job and know how they're thinking. And in europe you don't even have the stereotypical jocks vs nerds syndrom.

Wow, that's one of the shallowest arguments I have ever read. Working with children, you should know that children will allways single out individual children and bully and mob them. It might be the kid with two fathers, it might be the kid with the huge glasses and braces. Might aswell sterilize all ugly people, lest their potential offspring gets mobbed in school.
I think a better way to prevent that is as a parent to give a kid good self-confidence from a very early age rather then not allowing homosexuals to adopt kids... or preventing "losers" from procreating.

Besides that birth rates have been decreasing drastically over the last years/few decades. So instead of talking about gay marriage the primary focus should be on making marriage combined with getting kids more attractive again.
Good idea. I propose give something like a medal to women for every fourth child she births... oh wait, somebody has thought of that already!
Admittedly, declining birth rates is a "problem" of developed countries, but I don't see how preventing gay marriage leads to more children, or how allowing for it would impede any means to get the numbers up...
Additionally, as long as there are enough people immigrating, allowed to work and getting jobs to pay taxes, declining birth rates are actually not a problem at all.

And of course there are exceptions like PUTZ' lesbian cousin, but exceptions prove the rule.

Hypocracy much? Why is it okay to have two mothers, but not to have two fathers, other than that lesbian porn is more wankable to straight people than male gay porn?
 
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Good idea. I propose give something like a medal to women for every fourth child she births...
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Hypocracy much? Why is it okay to have two mothers, but not to have two fathers, other than that lesbian porn is more wankable to straight people than male gay porn?
Nowhere did I say that lesbians would make for better parents than gays, I was merely taking the example PUTZ gave(his lesbian cousin) as an example for homosexual parenthood. The way you mistake this however also shows you the reason as to why I won't bother replying to any more of this. You think you know it all and are at the top of evolution with your limitless oh-so open-mindedness when in fact it's just your opinion. Calling everyone else(2004 poll in austria showed that 41% are against, 29% pro, 29% don't care), who doesn't think the same way as you do a cellar nazi is typical, especcially in countries like austria.

And C_Gibby, I don't understand at all how you could feel offended. I clearly didn't mean to and I don't see what in particular got you upset. It is simply my opinion that homosexual parents, no matter if gay or lesbian, should not be allowed to adopt children, because you are simply not doing the child a favor because it's already pre-determined to get bullied by others for something that is not his fault at all(and it wouldn't be anyone's "fault", don't get me wrong there). The reason for this is that society is simply not capable of accepting and integrating such an individual, no matter how his individual character may turn out. Saying the kid might just as well get bullied for wearing thick glasses is not a serious and valid example and you(rattus) know that yourself. In my opinion it is simply irresponsible.
 
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And C_Gibby, I don't understand at all how you could feel offended. I clearly didn't mean to and I don't see what in particular got you upset. It is simply my opinion that homosexual parents, no matter if gay or lesbian, should not be allowed to adopt children,

There's your problem right there. I have known of a lot of people who have two mothers or fathers and they were not bullied for that at all. And I find it pretty damned offensive that just because of my preferences, you believe that I do not deserve the right that all adoring couples share - the right to love, care for, and raise a child with their beloved.
 
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You think you know it all and are at the top of evolution with your limitless oh-so open-mindedness when in fact it's just your opinion.

None of us ever said we know it all, let alone think we know it all. If you're allowed to make presumptions out of implications why can't we, after all this is supposed to be a discussion right? Or is it because we with our lowly opinions cannot understand the great matter at hand as your valid experiences with a tiny fart of the entire world's population in some remote location in a planet called earth is far more divine than anyone else?
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Before you yell anything about putting words in your mouth it's called presumption. Something you've done in this thread as well, like it or not.
 
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None of us ever said we know it all, let alone think we know it all. If you're allowed to make presumptions out of implications why can't we, after all this is supposed to be a discussion right? Or is it because we with our lowly opinions cannot understand the great matter at hand as your valid experiences with a tiny fart of the entire world's population in some remote location in a planet called earth is far more divine than anyone else?
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Before you yell anything about putting words in your mouth it's called presumption. Something you've done in this thread as well, like it or not.
It's a matter of attitude. I can very much accept different opinions on this matter, vice versa however there is an incredible arrogance that suggests exactly what I said. So stop turning everything around, I'm not the one who's implacting your opinion matters less.
 
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Anyway, after today, I have to say finding a job is hard as hell. I've spent the day in various job centres and I've been scouring the high street with no results. :confused: However, there's volunteer police work I could have a look at...
Important: Make sure you're not just cheap labour. That's what you usually get with volunteer work/internship.
 
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It is simply my opinion that homosexual parents, no matter if gay or lesbian, should not be allowed to adopt children, because you are simply not doing the child a favor because it's already pre-determined to get bullied by others for something that is not his fault at all(and it wouldn't be anyone's "fault", don't get me wrong there).

So basically it's in your opinion not ok for a gay or lesbian couple to adobt a child, because he/she could get bullied in school?

What about all the children that have straight parents, who for some reason is unable to care for them properly? They could be alcoholics, drug addicts, or abusive to their children? Oh yea sure they got straight parents, so they won't get bullied in school, so everythings ok then?

Honestly I'd rather see a child grow up with gay or lesbian parents that care for them and love them, than someone who's got to deal with a drunk dad and a mother on drugs, getting beat up or even sexually abused. My guess is the child is better off with gay parents then. Besides if they're raised proper, being bullied a bit won't hurt them too much in the long run.

I'm not saying everyone who gets bullied will shrug it off, but not everyone starts suiciding or goes on a killing spree because of it either.
 
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