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And why no swatstikas? Because those are banned in many European countries, namely from German games, so most indie or smaller comapany games involving the Nazis will use alternate symbols and flags to avoid the laws which would either ban the game or make the devs run through hoops to get it un-banned.

The gore is banned in Gemany too, yet that remains in the game.
 
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Commandos games featured many swastikas, I don't know if it was for all versions or how they could get away with it. But they certainly gave the game a bigger sense of "killin gnatsies", than the games without them.

well thats for the better, as "killin gnatsies" isn't really the feel of the game at all (or at least at what its directed at).
The gore is banned in Gemany too, yet that remains in the game.

I don't know the legalities, all I know is that I remember hearing the reason as legal issues involving swatstikas.
 
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well thats for the better, as "killin gnatsies" isn't really the feel of the game at all (or at least at what its directed at).

Well, thats just an humorous way to put it.

Is not that they are absolutely necessary for a game, but the truth is that a red flag with a swastika have a very strong presence. I think that taking them out of the games, stops them from reaching their full potential immersion-wise.

I also don't understand why games should remove them, but movies can have them without problems. I think thats an unfair discrimination. Why don't the games have the right to describe the time as accurately as possible?
 
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But they certainly gave the game a bigger sense of "killin gnatsies", than the games without them.

But Tripwire (I'd assume) is not going to be glorifying National Socialism either.

Swastikas should be in-game as much as Hammer and Sickles should be. Both are symbols of close/equally evil, murderous regimes. But the symbols were part of the period.

If they decide to not put them in, I'd hope they at least make it easy to mod it...
 
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But Tripwire (I'd assume) is not going to be glorifying National Socialism either.

Swastikas should be in-game as much as Hammer and Sickles should be. Both are symbols of close/equally evil, murderous regimes. But the symbols were part of the period.

Of course, Hammer and Sickles should be there too. I never intended this to go in the direction of who side did what or who is evil or not. But IMO, being evil is not an excuse for censorship. Is not about glorifying anyone.
 
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I want Swastikas in the game too, its history, deal with, people need to stop having a phobia of this stupid little symbol and actually be afraid of the real evils committed by the regime.

and its originally a Hindu peace symbol (the irony), I thought.

Anyways, that fear wells from the same places as denial; I suppose if we managed to cofront the past, we might help the future?
 
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no, the hammer and sickle aren't in your face all the time.

And why no swatstikas? Because those are banned in many European countries, namely from German games, so most indie or smaller comapany games involving the Nazis will use alternate symbols and flags to avoid the laws which would either ban the game or make the devs run through hoops to get it un-banned.

also banned in china. note company of heroes online (although removing the wehrmacht cross from EVERYTHING is a little over the top :rolleyes:) and that movie on nanking from a couple years ago. They had simple crosses on the flags where the german ambassador was protecting the chinese from their japanese allies by using swaztikas.

also this is YouTube - Cross of Iron (Sam Peckinpah, 1977) - "Demarcation!"

@~6:20 for a bit of a lead-up :IS2::IS2:
 
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But Tripwire (I'd assume) is not going to be glorifying National Socialism either.

Swastikas should be in-game as much as Hammer and Sickles should be. Both are symbols of close/equally evil, murderous regimes. But the symbols were part of the period.

If they decide to not put them in, I'd hope they at least make it easy to mod it...
> implying only Soviet union did use hammer and sickle.
You are not the one who can judge by damn symbols. Communism and Stalinism is far from each other.
 
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Heroes = Veteran Soldiers, that's all. Taking gore out of the game for Germany is easy, they just turn the animations off. Having swastikas in for the normal game and out for Germany would require a whole second set of textures/skins that would normally have swastikas on them.

not it wouldn't. just use decals. and it's not like swastikas were plastered everywhere.
 
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also banned in china. note company of heroes online (although removing the wehrmacht cross from EVERYTHING is a little over the top :rolleyes:) and that movie on nanking from a couple years ago. They had simple crosses on the flags where the german ambassador was protecting the chinese from their japanese allies by using swaztikas.

They wore Red Cross armbands because that's what they really wore. The International Zone flew the NSDAP flag on its flagpoles though (as well as the American flag, until the Japanese stole it lol).

The film industry isn't held to the same scrutiny as video games are when it comes to that stuff. The German government doesn't consider games to have artistic merit because.... well, most games don't. ;)
 
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are we really arguing about essentially decals now?

We aren't changing the law, and tripwire aren't going to gamble the success of their game by implementing swastikas.

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Most of the time, we argue just because we like to express our opinions, not because we believe its gonna matter anything at all.

What's the point of making a game if you aren't going to risk its success?

I don't think that willingly getting your game banned in several countries could be called: "risking its success"


Anyway, I don't think it matters much, as I don't think Stalingrad was plagued with swastikas, because it was never conquered, and the Germans stranded there, cared more about surviving than about national socialism.
 
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