i see ... i just read over "UNcensored" ... so you got Full gore settings, except the swastikas? Is that right?
But nevertheless ... I was talking about people and their versions who don
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Why did the game switch to censored????
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i see ... i just read over "UNcensored" ... so you got Full gore settings, except the swastikas? Is that right?
But nevertheless ... I was talking about people and their versions who don
As long as I can tell the Axis from the Allies and it's no complete immersion breaker (the pink Allies and green Axis) I don't care about some small symbol on the player model. All this people obsessing over it worries me a bit to be honest.
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plz read the whole thread ... So, you are "worried" ... me too after reading another "sigmund Freud reply, which wants to tell people what they are REALLY thinking (keyword: obessive) about swastikas" ... I
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Its not suddelny it something they changed from beta to the release version as they didnt want to make 2 versions (one without them for the market where those symbols arent allowed)
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I just really don't see the big deal. When I'm playing, I'm not looking so closely at the enemy's or my teammates' uniforms to see if they're correct. I'm more concerned with staying alive! As long as I can identify friend from foe and they look pretty much like they should, that's good enough for me. 
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just that is what i was pointing at, so im a bit confused if your reply was directed at me ?!
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To sum it all up again ...
This Thread intended to get information about why censorship took place in regions with no statutory provisions (concerning games).
And to all the people who are "worried" because they think to have identified some kind of "obsessive" behaviour regarding swastikas ...
PLZ ask Tripwire why they implemented these symbol in the first place, it actually was ingame ... would you consider TW to be obsessed with swastikas?
No, you wouldn
This Thread intended to get information about why censorship took place in regions with no statutory provisions (concerning games).
And to all the people who are "worried" because they think to have identified some kind of "obsessive" behaviour regarding swastikas ...
PLZ ask Tripwire why they implemented these symbol in the first place, it actually was ingame ... would you consider TW to be obsessed with swastikas?
No, you wouldn
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All I can say is the swastikas must have been put on the models early on before TWI decided on a "zero swastika for all regions" policy. (Because their policy now IS zero swastikas.)
Considering how small they were and how poor the resolution was....I'm not surprised they forgot about them. For all we know those skins were made over a year ago.
Considering how small they were and how poor the resolution was....I'm not surprised they forgot about them. For all we know those skins were made over a year ago.
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Where did u read that one???
But the symbol on the belt was clearly visible ... and actually, so was the one on the breast ... i don
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So obviously the Finns who were flying during that era and earlier must have been Nazi's as they used a swastika on their aircraft?
Not to mention the Indian's and ancient cultures that used the symbol in its mirrored form all those years ago?
As for in game - it's part of history, this game is based on said history and if it was part of the uniform of the German Army at the time - then so be it.
Oh and to another person - Germany didn't rape europe twice in a row. From a German perspective - you could say that Germany historically has been raped by England, France and the USA a couple times and more (England and France) if you care to read history and learn a thing or 2. This crap goes back to the time of the Roman Empire. Sure there were assholes on the German Side but hands up US, British and Russians from that time period who were not the same?? Ukraine Famines? Purges in Russia and Poland?, Dresden Blitze?, Hiroshima/Nagasaki? and the rest.
Same crap now happening today but in the form of Financial warfare and its effects. Just ask our friends on Wall Street.
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I could live with it. I'm not TWI however. And if there's one thing you can be sure isn't going to change, it's this. The general trend in almost all WW2 shooters is to remove the swastika so it can get sold in Germany with less problems. That's the reality.
And I get so sick of hearing people dredge up the historical roots of the swastika. Jesus. We got it. Back in 1995.
And I get so sick of hearing people dredge up the historical roots of the swastika. Jesus. We got it. Back in 1995.
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Consider how much people like their gore, versus how many people honestly give a **** about seeing a swastika in game, for historical reasons, realism reasons, or creepy neo-fascist reasons.
TWI put in a Gore toggle for this reason, because people care about their gore. They're not going to bother making twice as many German models and a system for displaying them or not. It's not worth the man hours to them.
Is that /thread yet? Because honestly this discussion happens once a day.
TWI put in a Gore toggle for this reason, because people care about their gore. They're not going to bother making twice as many German models and a system for displaying them or not. It's not worth the man hours to them.
Is that /thread yet? Because honestly this discussion happens once a day.
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I see your point pii_smith, but it is at least a bit out of place ... because this is no Thread about complaining in the first place but a Thread to get an answer to a particular question ... and I promise you, once i get an answer from TW on this matter, you will never ever see me complaining about the virtual lack of realism "again".
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The way I think of it, all argument about the presence of the hammer and sickle aside, is that this is a WWII combat game, not a WWII political game, so I don't care at all what political symbols the soldiers are wearing on the battlefield so long as the setting and the weapons are of the era and I can tell that a German soldier is a German soldier and a Russian soldier is a Russian soldier. I don't need a hakenkreuz in my game, it's just not that important to me either way, regardless of all the interesting debating about the meaning of the symbol before and after Hitler adopted it for the Nazi party, and today's political climate and how the symbol is and would be viewed by players of the game.
Simply put I give TWI the slack they deserve to make the decision to err on the side of caution in this matter. It doesn't affect the game for me because I don't fetishize the symbol nor do I play the game to satisfy some political feeling I have for or against any particular party. Nor do I consider the game to be an exhibit in a museum.
Simply put I give TWI the slack they deserve to make the decision to err on the side of caution in this matter. It doesn't affect the game for me because I don't fetishize the symbol nor do I play the game to satisfy some political feeling I have for or against any particular party. Nor do I consider the game to be an exhibit in a museum.
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Oh boy.
Do not use the "get your facts straight" if you are not sure you know what you are actually talking about.
Not all germans were nazis. There is a very specific difference between regualar german people and "Nazis" in Germany. If someone is called a "Nazi" it means he is alleged to have been a convinced follower of Nazi ideology.
Also at what point am I justifying mass murder? What I said was that the concept of communism does not have mass murder written on its flag. Marx did not say you have to kill jews. And neither did Lenin probably.
Mass murders commited during communist rule are simply a result of lack of democratic structures. If a system is ruled by one ruler or a caste of rulers that do not have to answer to any legal body then these things happen. This is true for Nazi germany, stalinist soviet union and the schoolyard bully kid that can kick everyones *** just because he is the strongest kid.
This is basically why nearly all communist societies failed. Too much power concentrated in the hands of few.
The basic idea of communism was to protect the worker from being screwed over by the capitalist. And while that idea failed in the communist states, it lives on in softer socialist concepts like public healthcare, workers unions and stuff.
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