Really AVT40 didn't existed. There only was the Automatic Tokarev's carbine. It was a shortened SVT variant with full-auto fire mode. You can only find old manuals for SVT and automatic carbine (I have one scanned, 80 page manual dated 1938). Only automatic rifle before 1941 that Soviets have was AVS-36. Image from manual:
Avt40?
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Damn, I was confused too, when I understood that. But one thing that is right is existence of automatic carbine based on SVT. Maybe those AVTs were SVTs converted to automatic fire, or it existed, but along with auto carbine?
And your image is called Svt40-1941.jpg
And your image is called Svt40-1941.jpg
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The AVT-40 was simply an SVT-40 designed for automatic fire. The '40' in the name can be confusing as the AVT-40 was not built until 1942. Although it may have been at Stalingrad, the design was ultimately a failure. My personal opinion is the Mkb42 and AVT-40 should not be in the game for historical accuracy. I understand the desire for variety, so in the end these weapons don't bother me too much, at least for pub play. There is however a mod planned/in the works with the goal of 'extending' realism if you will, and in it both of these weapons will likely be removed.
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Hehe yeah the pic is only from wikipedia. I am confident they existed though because I've seen one or two in museums
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Ofcourse it did.
Would have been better choise to be implemented in game, allthough in the times of Stalingrad there very probably was not a single AVS-36 on the field anymore.
SVT-40 carbine was very rare and many (most) of those were sort of "field modification cut outs" made from SVT-40s.
Yes, the only change was made to the safety. It was made to selector by filing it it a bit. They also added a more robust stock to handle the punishment of strong recoil when fired in auto. Soon they noticed that even that did not cure the problem.
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Didn't the avt40 have a terrible recoil that made it uncontrollable, and that's why it was scrapped?
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High recoil wasnt the only main issue that AVT was never in massive production,but the damage it was done to the rifle parts while used in auto mode.
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I read ( dont remember where) that around the time they started producing the rifle all of those using it were ordered to keep it in semi mode. ( not that one would always obey... ).
I'm going to venture a guess that the AVT-40 wont be much more then a 7.62 urination system in full auto and it will be just a special gun for some old farts to use, the only main difference being in the name, not in how anyone chooses to use it...
( has flash back to the early ppsh in ro, 3 rnd burst and the barrel was all they way over your head and half way up yer arse )
I'm going to venture a guess that the AVT-40 wont be much more then a 7.62 urination system in full auto and it will be just a special gun for some old farts to use, the only main difference being in the name, not in how anyone chooses to use it...
( has flash back to the early ppsh in ro, 3 rnd burst and the barrel was all they way over your head and half way up yer arse )
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Could be a nice gimmick
, however it would distract from balanced gameplay in my opinion having weapons jam at random. It sure is realistic that it could/would happen depending on weapon/condition but it would be really annoying from a gameplay standpoint. I am sure some disagree but thats my guess why we'll never see this implemented officially by TWI, however it could be done quite easily by some experienced modders.
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You are correct, since very soon after the production started they noticed that the rifles are very prone to break down when shot full auto. To avoid that they gave order that full auto mode was allowed to be used only in certain situations by direct order from the NCO.
AVT-40 was hardly more prone to jams than the SVT-40. When kept clean, both worked just fine. The AVT-40 stock and mechanism just could not take the recoil, when shot full auto.
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What? Do you really suspect, that the AVT-40 did not exist? Are you kidding or what?
Look for example from here.
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/RIFLES4.htm
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And I was earlier very wrong. Production of AVT-40 started already in May 1942 and the first rifle came out from the line in July, so I should think that AVT-40 was definitely present in Stalingrad. So it is not an "imagine" gun at all...Sometimes it
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I just assumed the higher fire rate would make it jam prone, especially being a newer model.
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