Make "np" a default

not only that, but if you noticed, typing "np" never shows up after you type it and press enter. so the person that tk'd you doesnt know if you forgave them or not. which i find more frustrating

does this "forgiving" system even work? in Ro1 a sentence showed up, but here?

eliterizzo said:

not only that, but if you noticed, typing "np" never shows up after you type it and press enter.

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It shows up if you repeatedly type it 5-6 times in console. I usually hit np, <enter> followed by <up-arrow><enter> as many times as neede to show up np.

Frustrating? Hell yes. Could be done better? Absolutely.

i usually type in np and then write no problem or soemthing in the team chat. But yes it could be done better.

I am not sure the invisible np makes a difference in points like it should. Killing a bot triggers the forgive message that should have been displayed when a human player types it in. I still type it the usual 4 or 5 times but that is only to let the other player know that I forgave him.

I always believe the “TK-ing” should be handled as two part process.

1.) The “TK-er” must type SORRY first. (This would force the noobs to learn)

Then

2.) The “TK-e” would reply with NP, and then the “TK-er”would get the fractional credit back.

Russ

www.fireonthevolga.com

I guess it would be easy to make a bind that says "np" and then "n p " (or something like that), so with one button press, you have forgiven the tk and the guy knows you did.

RJ_MacReady said:

I don't agree with you. Why complicate this even more?

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That's not complicated, that's actually pretty straightforward and it worked fine in RO1.

A "complaint" option would be just as liable to be abused as this, but this one, if working, actually introduces a much needed etiquette and a much more relaxed attitude to accidental tks than not having anything (as can presently be seen in RO2).

There's a server setting for this, just turn off the friendly fire autokick. That's all the forgive system is used for, anyway.

Automatically forgiving the killer is undermining the purpose of the system. Most TKs result from poor situational awareness or poor fire discipline, and that needs to be penalized at some level that is relevant to the player. A tiny score penalty is not relevant, but getting an enforced time-out is. The default threshold is fairly large, so if you're racking up so much friendly fire that you're getting autokicked, then a poke from the game to tell you that you really need to work on that is entirely warranted.

Personally, I don't care if someone is "sorry". Being sorry doesn't make a blatantly stupid TK any less stupid, and it deserves to be chalked up as an error. If I've gotten myself TKed through my own risky actions, like charging out of smoke from the enemy side towards friendly positions, then they shouldn't be sorry anyway, because they didn't do anything wrong; it was my fault, and I can own up to that without needing an unwarranted apology from them.