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AVT40 production started in 1943?

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DIRTY_THUG

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Just came across this while I was looking up some info about the SVT40.

"To supplement the Red Army's shortage of machineguns, a version capable of automatic fire was produced in 1943, designated the AVT-40."

Link: [url]http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/SVT40[/URL]
Third paragraph under "Towards the SVT-40"

Just figured I'd point that out as all the maps take place before the weapon was said to be produced, yet it's still there.
 
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Stahlhelmii said:
Well, an Mkb42 a/k/a MP43 a/k/a Sturmgewehr is gonna pick you off from across the map with one shot every time, assuming it's operator doesn't suck.
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Which is what the weapon was designed to do. Accurate out to 300m and capable of laying down full-auto fire. It is the replacement of the bolt, semi-auto, and SMG as a full-service military weapon. A few brief years after the Germans pioneered the assault rifle, the AK-47 rolled out and proceeded to put this kind of firepower in the hands of every soldier on the battlefield. Rifles and SMGs were obsolete.

Well, now we can see why. It is a direct upgrade from the weapons they were using. No downsides. None. And there shouldn't be in game, except for the fact that -they didn't exist-.

This is like making a game about the Napoleonic wars and then making a Winchester repeater carbine an unlockable weapon. It's going to crush all the old muzzle loaders because it is the direct upgrade of the weapon with no downsides compared to it's former iteration.

It's a mess.
 
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DIRTY_THUG said:
Just came across this while I was looking up some info about the SVT40.

"To supplement the Red Army's shortage of machineguns, a version capable of automatic fire was produced in 1943, designated the AVT-40."

Link: <a href="http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/SVT40" target="_blank">[url]http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/SVT40[/URL]
Third paragraph under "Towards the SVT-40"

Just figured I'd point that out as all the maps take place before the weapon was said to be produced, yet it's still there.
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This very realiable site says differently. And I see no real reason to doubt the info below.

[url]http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/RIFLES4.htm[/URL]

jaegerplatoon.net said:
AVT-40 automatic rifle was accepted to manufacturing in May of 1942 and the first weapons came out of production line already in July of the same year. The reason allowing advance as fast as this was rather simple - the changes required for making SVT-40 select-fire automatic were only minor. Only real changes happened in trigger mechanism. While in SVT-40 the safety switch had only two settings - (semi auto) fire and safe, in AVT-40 the switch had also full auto setting for automatic fire. However, likely AVT-40 were used mostly in semi auto mode, as full automatic fire was quite difficult to control and durability proved to be an issue. All the reliability issues of SVT-40 were still included to the design and now the automatic fire caused additional problems. The main visual difference between SVT-40 and AVT-40 is in their muzzle brakes. Muzzle brake of AVT-40 has only 4 large vents - 2 in each side. In addition new stronger stock version was manufactured for AVT-40. Sometimes AVT-40 muzzle brakes and/or AVT-40 stocks can be found in SVT-40 rifles, but these might be results of later repairs and arsenal refurb work. The Soviets stopped manufacturing of AVT-40 in summer of 1943.
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Field Marshal Rommel said:
I doubt it. What is needed is a primary soviet document that mentions introduction, production, and total number produced as this is a rare weapon.
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What are your sources then?

The problem here undoubtly is, that those sort of document references are hard, if not impossible for us to get.

But as jaegerplatoon.net uses Bolotin
 
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Keith Moons Liver said:
COD with ww2 skins :(
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Lolz, you mean this
ww2-call-of-duty.jpg


COD4 wasn't the first call of duty you know, it's kind of given away by the name.
 
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TOKAREV RIFLES AND CARBINES
A Brief History of the Tokarev(SVT40) Rifle

Well-known Tokarev's rifles:

  • Tokarev M1930
  • Tokarev M1938
  • Tokarev M1940

  • The Tokarev 7.62-mm semiautomatic rifle M1938(SVT)2 was the first of a series of Tokarev rifles. This model has a two-piece stock and is very lightly built. It is believed obsolete in Soviet and satellite forces. b. The Tokarev 7.62-mm semiautomatic rifle M1940 (SVT40), as well as the 7.62-mm automatic and semiautomatic rifle M1940 (AVT)3, while considerably sturdier than the M1938, still proved rather flimsy for military use. Considerable difficulty was experienced in repair and maintenance of these weapons during W.W.II, and it is believed that they are no longer standard weapons.
  • The Tokarev semiautomatic rifle sniper rifles M1938 and M1940, because of their flimsy construction and the difficulties experienced in their repair and maintenance, are no longer standard weapons. These sniper rifles are merely Tokarev semiautomatic rifles M1938 (SVT) and M1940 (SVT) which have been specially selected for accuracy and adapted for mounting telescopic sights.

The above is a brief excerpt from US Ordnance Corp. Manual, "Soviet Rifles and Carbines, May 1954"
 
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What about the PPSH stick mag thread? That was an epic one, and surprisingly well written and very argumentative, it was so well written that even a dev decided to reply to it, saying that they'd look into it. (The story being that PPSH's were shipped with drum mags, and only later the stick mags came in, and even then, troops equipped with PPSH's had both, drums and sticks, also something about the single-shot fire mode.)

Too bad that they decided to keep the sticks : /
 
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