10 major sins of FPS productions in last 4 years - Page 4

Reddog · #61 03-18-2010, 09:24 PM

Honestly can you people who have it imagine what HC would be like with prone? It's already bad enough with people Recon camping on HC imagine it with them having the ability to prone themselves amongst the bushes/rocks etc, it would suck majorly.

I seem to remember reading that DICE tested the game with prone in and felt that it prompted people to camp and try to pick people off rather than win the map. I read this as, "We found a lot of people Recon whored with the 1 shot kills even to the little toe in HC".

Nenjin · #62 03-18-2010, 09:55 PM

The exact same thing can be said about any FPS with any objective-based game play.

"Oh some people will just snipe."

Every FPS ever made suffers from that issue.

BF2 has the same issues. Road to Jalalabad. Sometimes you get 20 - 50% of a team playing snipers, and it's claywhore happy. Sometimes it gets played as intended.

I don't buy that line from DICE. They know how FPS play. It sounds like an excuse to justify making a game that would compete with CoD.

Then again, they're marketing to an entirely different generation than my own...so maybe that excuse flies with them. There's nothing "modern" or "realistic" about encouraging players to run out and get shot. Most people with guns and a single life to lose play defensively and favor sniping.

omarfw · #63 03-19-2010, 03:03 AM

having some players who only snipe is like having a KF player who only uses a katana.

it's stupid and makes them lose. so there isn't a really a problem. noobs will be noob.s

Apos · #64 03-19-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Reddog

Honestly can you people who have it imagine what HC would be like with prone? It's already bad enough with people Recon camping on HC imagine it with them having the ability to prone themselves amongst the bushes/rocks etc, it would suck majorly.

TWI already invented class restrictions. Works well and prone doesnt need to be removed. Mentioned in 8th point.

Grobut · #65 03-19-2010, 10:20 AM

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Honestly can you people who have it imagine what HC would be like with prone?

That's a problem with the overall game design though, and one that plagues all thease soft-realism military MP shooters, they don't really recreate realistic combat or movement, or even the reason for combat, the goal is just to shoot people mostly, so your motivation in playing them is not much different than it was in Quake3 or Unreal Tournament, but their map designs and gun selection means there's much more camping.

This is why i don't care for thease games, it's not just that i'm a realism nerd, which i am, but also that the gameplay in thease things is allways inherently broken, mindless camping is no fun, and when it comes to mindless run'n'gun spam all over action, Sci-Fi arena-shooters are more fun at that anyway, they have better mechanics for it, so yeah, i don't see the point in thease games..

Reddog · #66 03-19-2010, 02:42 PM

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TWI already invented class restrictions. Works well and prone doesnt need to be removed. Mentioned in 8th point.

BFBC2 will never have class restrictions, ever, I will bet my cods on it.

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having some players who only snipe is like having a KF player who only uses a katana.

it's stupid and makes them lose. so there isn't a really a problem. noobs will be noob.s

When you're playing hard core and they can kill you by hitting you anywhere, even in the pinky, and there's 10 of them overlooking half the map, it's an issue.

It's also a real problem when you're attacking and 70% of your team is camping in the boonies with sniper rifles. It means the people actually trying to win the map are hopelessly outnumbered.

Nenjin · #67 03-19-2010, 04:20 PM

Again, that's nothing different than BF2. My friends and I make it a point to turn games around on maps where our team is hopelessly stupid.

I actually only played HC in COD 4....didn't even bother with the "need to shoot me 8 times" standard mode. So *shrug*. People camp in modern FPS, with or without prone. That's the reality. You arguably need prone MORE in HC modes because you can't afford to get hit even once. Without prone...you're basically playing Golden Eye 64, with nicer graphics and sound.

omarfw · #68 03-19-2010, 07:48 PM

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When you're playing hard core and they can kill you by hitting you anywhere, even in the pinky, and there's 10 of them overlooking half the map, it's an issue.

It's also a real problem when you're attacking and 70% of your team is camping in the boonies with sniper rifles. It means the people actually trying to win the map are hopelessly outnumbered.

sounds to me like a broken game i wont be buying

Reddog · #69 03-20-2010, 01:14 AM

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sounds to me like a broken game i wont be buying

It's a good game, you just have to get the right mix of people when playing. If I enter a server with this happening I usually just go find another. I know of a few good clan servers where they don't let this happen and almost always play in those.

Yin · #70 03-20-2010, 02:41 AM

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having some players who only snipe is like having a KF player who only uses a katana.

Don't be hating on me! : (

Anyway, most FPS nowadays are purely run & gun, spray & pray and if they aren't, well... then their a campfest, also I'm getting tired of unbalanced FPS where you have to unlock something in order to get better, I just want to hop in and play, not get beaten by people who play the game all day long and have stronger weapons. Modern Warfare 2 is totally messed up in online play for PC, there is a big wall of hackers that you can't take care of because of there not beeing any admins due to the lack of dedicated servers, it turned into a console lobby-ish Halo 3 game. I don't get why it's worth it to literally destroy the fun of a game just to prevent piracy... Just so they can cash in $5-$10 maybe even more for a stupid map-pack? Some more years and we will be playing PC First Person Shooters on a controller or a steering wheel with pedals, left pedal to shoot, right pedal for iron sights, steering while to move left and right, push the steering wheel like a horn to reload and the gear stick to move forward and backwards.

Murphy · #71 03-20-2010, 04:15 AM

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Some more years and we will be playing PC First Person Shooters on a controller or a steering wheel with pedals, left pedal to shoot, right pedal for iron sights, steering while to move left and right, push the steering wheel like a horn to reload and the gear stick to move forward and backwards.

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Don't be hating on me! : (

..you're not making this easy..

Yin · #72 03-20-2010, 04:24 AM

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..you're not making this easy..

I actually ment the hate on overuse of the Katana! I luv Katana! ; (

omarfw · #73 03-20-2010, 02:20 PM

i meant ONLY using katana and no other weapons. even if you start losing.

i see so many idiots doing this. while i'm glad because it levels my medic perk, it also makes us lose.

Yin · #74 03-20-2010, 02:22 PM

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i meant ONLY using katana and no other weapons. even if you start losing.

i see so many idiots doing this. while i'm glad because it levels my medic perk, it also makes us lose.

I usually use Katana + Xbow/Nade Launcher, is that good enough? : P