Realism or gameplay

[Amerikaner]

More Realism = Better Gameplay

[DingBat]

Originally Posted by Amerikaner

More Realism = Better Gameplay

With all due respect, 'kaner, this is demonstrably untrue.

Let's take a "fer instance": StalingradKessel. It could be coded such that the germans are slower, have less health, and blurred vision as a result of malnutrition and sleep deprivation. This is "more" real. Is it better gameplay? I don't think so.

Still, even that's not a good example because somebody out there's probably going "Wow! Cool!" at this very moment.

How about falls from a certain distance break legs? Doesn't kill you, but you can't walk at all. Personally, I'd be typing 'suicide' before my avatar had hit the ground.

It isn't very likely that anyone in a platoon sized combat, which is basically what is modelled in Red Orchestra, would have the ability to call in artillery strikes. But artillery is kind of fun, so it's a case where gameplay trumps realism again. "More" realism would virtually eliminate artillery from the game, except for random strikes outside of the control of players.

Anyway, believe it or not, I do get where you guys are coming from.

[-SemperFi-Jenova]

Originally Posted by Amerikaner

More Realism = Better Gameplay

see i told you they don't read.

[trench]

Originally Posted by Zell

I believe that true realism is fun. I'm not talking like 'having a button to s***', I'm talking about litle effects and stuff that make it feel real. If I died because the truck I was in stalled right as an MG42 was opening up on it, I would love it even though I died, because it would make me marvel at the amount of detail put into the game.

Now that is perfect world. More realism = more fun.

And I'll take a "dump" button while you are at it.

[Karmakaze]

Originally Posted by -SemperFi-Jenova

see i told you they don't read.

So it's

Better Realism = More Gameplay

then?

[Amerikaner]

Originally Posted by DingBat

With all due respect, 'kaner, this is demonstrably untrue.

Still, even that's not a good example because somebody out there's probably going "Wow! Cool!" at this very moment.

Its true for me, thats why i posted it lol. And im that somebody. I would actually rather have all that stuff. I know most people wouldnt but its all preference.

[decap]

I assume you mean realism as in realistic weapons, tactics, movements, and interactibility, so I vote realism. However, if a game has crappy movement but good weapons, tactics, and interactibilty/accessibility, I will not play it. Why? because I don't want overly slug/mach 3 (on foot) movement and neither do I want a limited choice of postures (it pisses me off greatly when prone is excluded in a game supposedly realistic ). I don't want movement that is too stiff or ice skatey either.[/quote]
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I agree. Why not have both. Realism and gameplay.

[decap]

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Originally Posted by decap

Someone could easily create a mod that beat RO in the "realism" department. I suspect it wouldn't be much fun to play, but it could be done.


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ITS Been Done! Infileration for UT 2003. I use to play the crap out of that. That is as real as it gets shooting a gun and taking Damage.The way you cock the weapons and the sounds are amazing. I notice alot of people don't like it becuase its just to real there not a whole alot of action so to speak. You have to try it to see what i meen. I know the pics don't look that good from the sight but after you install it and use Antailiasing and Anisotropic its looks amazing for a old game.

http://infiltration.sentrystudios.net/

When you hold the weapons up to your shoulder it really looks like your looking down the aim sight the same goes when you hold the pistol in front of you. You can see your arms exstending while you still maintain looking down the sight.
Infileration is the first game i seen yet that the guns and the charector holding them feel real and the gun phisics feel really real. Over RO INF feels more real. Or realism i should say. But then agin they are both totally different gun base games. Plus RO has the better graphics and more up to date sound.

[SasQuatch]

Originally Posted by -SemperFi-Jenova

see i told you they don't read.

Well, they enjoy writing alot looking at the last 4 posts

[-SemperFi-Jenova]

Well all I know is "I rather gameplay."

[SuperEric]

Originally Posted by DingBat

How about falls from a certain distance break legs? Doesn't kill you, but you can't walk at all. Personally, I'd be typing 'suicide' before my avatar had hit the ground.

AKA RO pre-1.3?

It was always fun breaking my legs jumping out of the German spawn on Berlin, spending 10 minutes getting to the front line, then dying at the hands of some some cold-hearted bastard who shows no mercy for the handicapped.

[SuperEric]

P.S. I also rather gameplay

[[-project.rattus-]]

The debate bewteen gameplay and realism is quite obsolete. You can not have a realistic experience with the limits of todays computers and "human interface devices". Realistic movement for example would feel cumbersome and restricted... or is anyone in here able to go forwards, sideways and backwards at the same speed?

Still, I like it how RO tries to recreate WW2 battles by trying to simulate it as lifelike as possible... so, if you take the limitations into consideration, I say "nananananana realism" *old batman tune*

[DingBat]

Originally Posted by SuperEric

AKA RO pre-1.3?

It was always fun breaking my legs jumping out of the German spawn on Berlin, spending 10 minutes getting to the front line, then dying at the hands of some some cold-hearted bastard who shows no mercy for the handicapped.

Eric, you old target, you! How've you been? Looking forward to seeing what strange places you get into on these new maps.

[SuperEric]

Ah, it's been a while since I've 'sploited a map. I don't know if I've still got it.

Anyway I've been pretty good. Looking forward to being on the business end of your rifle again ;o~~

[decap]

Originally Posted by SasQuatch

Well, they enjoy writing alot looking at the last 4 posts

My post were edited post, since this forum doesn't offer the word edit on a response i had to create 3 other reponses.

[Yoshiro]

Originally Posted by decap

My post were edited post, since this forum doesn't offer the word edit on a response i had to create 3 other reponses.

The edit post button works......

[decap]

Originally Posted by Yoshiro

The edit post button works......

When i was trying at the time to edit my post it will not let me till after i made another post. Then i was able to edit it. Which i found it sort of odd how the forum editing is set up.

[ViViD]

Dingbat has exactly the idea that I had in the poll, but I can see the misconception that people would get, but it good to have an open discussion and I am glad to understand what make the people of RO tick.

For me I didn't post my judgement of what as a gamer I am after all, I am normally after completely the opposite of most gamers out there. I want the broken legs, I would love 5 man tanks crews. ( tank/driver class where you get only a pistol)

I guess its the difference between wanting a simulation or wanting a game.

Perhaps that would of been a better way of asking in the poll

[AceOfSpades]

Originally Posted by ViViD

Dingbat has exactly the idea that I had in the poll, but I can see the misconception that people would get, but it good to have an open discussion and I am glad to understand what make the people of RO tick.

For me I didn't post my judgement of what as a gamer I am after all, I am normally after completely the opposite of most gamers out there. I want the broken legs, I would love 5 man tanks crews. ( tank/driver class where you get only a pistol)

I guess its the difference between wanting a simulation or wanting a game.

Perhaps that would of been a better way of asking in the poll

Hmm, looks like you're the type of gamer who wants to immerse yourself in the boots of a WWII soldier in the Ostfront rather than a gamer who justs want to have a frustration-free gaming experience. Sometimes I am in the gaming mood, and sometimes I'm in the immersion mood, so I understand both types of gamers .