2-handed pistol grip in Ostfront?

[SasQuatch]

He da man

[[-project.sturm-]]

Originally Posted by BicycleRepairMan

The pistol isnt really more "stable" with two hands, unless its a heavy one.

Do you really think so ? Of course, the bigger the calibre, the heavier is the recoil. BUT! I think everybody who has ever shot with a pistol or a revolver knows, that to hit a target, which is 10...30m away, it is much more difficult to hit it onehanded. therefore u need many training-hours.... indeed

to execute sb. - of course you wont need to hands...

[Mormegil]

I don't think someone would revert to two handed grip (especially if they've never done it) over their training. That's the point of training, to make you do something a certain way. Training must at some point overcome fear, otherwise nobody would ever get out of a foxhole or trench or ever put themselves in harms way.


Besides, I believe the one handed shooting method was to position your body perpendicular to the target, decreasing your owns silhouette, and shooting over your right (or left) shoulder. You could believe that standing sideways to your opponent like this can save your life since you present a smaller target area.

[FYROM]

Originally Posted by [-project.sturm-]

Do you really think so ? Of course, the bigger the calibre, the heavier is the recoil. BUT! I think everybody who has ever shot with a pistol or a revolver knows, that to hit a target, which is 10...30m away, it is much more difficult to hit it onehanded. therefore u need many training-hours.... indeed

to execute sb. - of course you wont need to hands...

However, all sides in the war specifically taught their troops NOT to engage long-range targets with their pistols. In cases where officers might have to actually shoot the enemy on a regular basis, they were issued rifles or smgs (or acquired them) to go after targets beyond 10m. They were only issued pistols for close combat defense, in case their headquarters was overrun. In that case, being able to fire quickly one-handed would be an advantage, as there wouldn't be much time to aim.

[[-project.sturm-]]

Originally Posted by Mormegil

Besides, I believe the one handed shooting method was to position your body perpendicular to the target, decreasing your owns silhouette, and shooting over your right (or left) shoulder. You could believe that standing sideways to your opponent like this can save your life since you present a smaller target area.

lol, you stand on the battlefield or what ?!
if I were in our shoes, I would look for cover and place aimed shots

but of course it could be, that komandir'S shot in that way...depends on the situation anyhow, i think.

[Mormegil]

Originally Posted by [-project.sturm-]

lol, you stand on the battlefield or what ?!
if I were in our shoes, I would look for cover and place aimed shots

but of course it could be, that komandir'S shot in that way...depends on the situation anyhow, i think.

Good point. But if your using your pistol, there's a good chance you're not prone.

Do you often pull out your pistol, and crawl around the battlefield in RO? Usually you'd have your rifle or SMG. In RO the pistol is the "Oh sh*t!" weapon. I usually use it in conjunction with running away. I find it a lot harder to run away when prone.

[murderous_eagle]

as an mger, I use my pistol a lot. if someone is at a point where I need more stability in my pistol shot, I just bring out my mg and deploy.

[Hyperion2010]

The pistol in this era (correct me if im way off) was view as a purely defensive weapon due to the tactics of the time. Using a pistol in actual combat (not when advancing under little to no fire) was a death wish.

[[-project.sturm-]]

yes, I'm also in this opinion.
but do not underestimate the pistol. it has saved my life for several times.

[Erich]

I might just be strange, but when i shoot pistols I can shoot pretty darn accurate one-handed(and in many cases I shoot better one-handed then with both hands) I dont know why but in any case i still try to shoot most of the time with two hands, but if the target is at a great distance I would most like shoot one-handed. It also depends on the type of pistol, some feel right with 2 hands and some feel right with just one.

[bas]

Both the Russians and the Germans were taught to shoot pistols one handed, arm stretched out looking over the shoulder. This is according to all pictures I've seen of Germans shooting their pistols (mostly officers and NCO's plinking for a propoganda shoot) and a translated copy of the Russian TT-33/Nagant manual.

All that aside pistols aren't really a serious military weapon and were only issued as either a status item (ie officers) or a secondary weapon (machine gunners) regular soldiers did not carry them.

As already mentioned, if you were pulling out your pistol on the East Front, you were in big trouble!

[ViViD]

What I find funny is that you talk about all soldiers having a pistol, the Luger was a rarity and only officers and crews having them, that is why they were a prize weapon. Even MG crews the ammo carriers were issued rifles not lugers.

So in a Company of 140-160 Men there would be only maximum of 4-8 lugers, one for each officer of the platoon the company commander and possible a very senior nco.

I am not sure on the russian side but I imagine this to be a similar deal. Games where everyone has a backup weapon is very incorrect. Normally your backup weapon was your dagger,spade or helmet.

[bas]

Originally Posted by ViViD

What I find funny is that you talk about all soldiers having a pistol, the Luger was a rarity and only officers and crews having them, that is why they were a prize weapon. Even MG crews the ammo carriers were issued rifles not lugers.

So in a Company of 140-160 Men there would be only maximum of 4-8 lugers, one for each officer of the platoon the company commander and possible a very senior nco.

I am not sure on the russian side but I imagine this to be a similar deal. Games where everyone has a backup weapon is very incorrect. Normally your backup weapon was your dagger,spade or helmet.

Thats not entirely correct, at least on the German side. The Germans issued the most handguns of all the combatants. In a squad the machine gunner was also issued a pistol.

No idea on the Russian side, pictures of soldiers equiped with pistols are not that common. But here is a 1950's training manual that shows shooting stances:

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.net/foru...d.php?t=110094

[Conscript]

Originally Posted by Jack

Yeah excellent point ViViD. This is the case today as well, as not all troops are equipped with sidearms, only officers and most vehicle and crew-served weapon's operators. Of coures, as what happens in RO matches, people tend to "aquire" sidearms through a variety of means in combat!

Which I think is a great thing! I for one will always go for a dropped pistol....a lot of the time Ive done it at great risk. It's always useful to have as a backup weapon, and If Im going to be moving into a building, I will pull a pistol knowing full well that at that range, the faster rate of fire will probably give me an advantage over anyone I encounter*

I think RO has hit the nail on the head here. Pistols are not particularly better than your primary weapon, but they are very useful to have around. As such, people will try and scavenge them from the battlefield, much like, I imagine, real life.

*Im speaking, of course, as a rifleman. I rarely play with automatics, but If I do, I have less need for a pistol.