New Weapons Discussion (Merged)

[<RA>red_alert]

Greetings,

I came here to ask if FG42 and FG42 scooped will be implemented in RO:O. If yes how many of them will be implemented for most maps? thats all ty.

[daschewy]

the FG42 wasnt that common of a weapon and there werent that many FJ that fought in Russia so I highly doubt itll be put in

[Sichartshofen]

Don't count on it.

Fallschirmjäger were not deployed on the Eastern front in massive numbers like the Heer and Waffen SS. The FG42 was officially introduced into service in 1943, but only for the Luftwaffe. Since the Heer was looking for a weapon using the Kurzpatrone (StG44). The only definitive production number of the FG42 is 4,397 in 1944. It may have seen action in the east but not in any significant numbers. It would have been more common with FJ units in Normandy.

[<RA>red_alert]

indeed, thank you for the information i would just love to have a semi automatic scooped FG42 :P

[Sichartshofen]

You've got a scoped SVT40 to look forward to.

[FYROM]

Plus, its likely there'll be a scoped semi-automatic G-43 to balance it, since they were equipped with scopes at roughly the same ratio as the SVT-40 (1 in 10).

[<RA>red_alert]

Well in my clan im a rifleman, so i like bolt action mechanisms. Ofourse automatic rifles are good also but seeing a g43 with a scope will make it ugly

[TheBeagle]

Originally Posted by Krüger

Don't count on it.

Fallschirmjäger were not deployed on the Eastern front in massive numbers like the Heer and Waffen SS.

While that's most certainly true, and I don't know how many FJs were sent to the East altogether, there were at least several regiments. According to Fallschirmjäger 1936-1945 "3000 fallschirmjaeger were killed, wounded or listed as missing in that first winter in Russia". And that's only in '41.

They also took part in several battles where they held off a much numerically superior Russian force. I think it's only right to add some FJ maps. This is one of the "must haves" for me, if only for the sheer coolness.

I have never seen a pic showing the FG-42 in use in the East though. All of the pics that show them seem to be in Italy or Normandy. Maybe they can add only one for the Gruppenfuehrer when they add FJs.

[SgtH3nry3]

Originally Posted by <RA>red_alert

Well in my clan im a rifleman, so i like bolt action mechanisms. Ofourse automatic rifles are good also but seeing a g43 with a scope will make it ugly

Then you'll love Ostfront because of manual bolting!

[[TW]Wilsonam]

At most 3 FJ Divisions served in the East, out of German forces of around 300 Divisions.

For the FG42, sources have a grand total of either 5,000 or 7,000 having been made. Which isn't a lot. There were more Goliaths made than that! So, the FG42 is a rare beast indeed...

[SgtH3nry3]

Originally Posted by [RO]Wilsonam

At most 3 FJ Divisions served in the East, out of German forces of around 300 Divisions.

For the FG42, sources have a grand total of either 5,000 or 7,000 having been made. Which isn't a lot. There were more Goliaths made than that! So, the FG42 is a rare beast indeed...

Wasn't it about 5000 of Typ. 1 and about another 2000 Typ. 2? That would make about 7000 FG-42 in total!

But... In this scale of war... it virtually nothing... Even as Fallschirmjäger you had to pray that you were handed the FG-42!

[Denwad]

i do believe there is a pretty famous photograph depicting a dead soldier in Berlin, with a FG-42 laying on the street

[JCoquillon]

one photo does not a worthy addition to a game make.

So they were used in the final fight for berlin, that is 1 map that could realistically have one. An awful lot of effort to add a weapon to a single map in game.

[daschewy]

Originally Posted by Jack

Welll the reverse of your logic is that we cannot also expect that just because there are not tons of photos of FG42s in the East, that doesn't mean they weren't used in numbers either.

If only around 7000 FG42s were made, 7000 is still 7000. Overall prodution does not matter so much as *concentration* in a given battle. If the opposite was true, then why are we getting the Tiger I in ROOST when only 1300 were made? Well, we get it because it was present at most all of the critical battles.

It follows then that it doesn't matter if the FG42 was relatively rare, the FJ in themselves were relatively small in number, so it makes sense. But, if you have several maps depicting major operations where FJ were present, then it is entirely appropriate to give them the FG42. I understand that ther eare more important things in ROOST, but down the line it would be a great addition, especially for map makers that want to construct FJ maps.

I agree with that

[FYROM]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's what I've found on the East Front service of Fallschirmjager units:

1st Fallschirmjager Division
Sept 41 - Jun 42: Leningrad Front, Volkhov Front
Oct 42 - May 43: Smolensk Area

2nd Fallschirmjager Division
Oct 43 - May 44: Kiev, Kirovgrad, Bug River, Dniester River

Fallschirm-Panzer Division "Herman Goring"
Jun 41 - end of 41: Barbarossa
Jul 44 - May 45: Poland, East Prussia

The FJ-42 was officially introduced to FJ units in late 43/early 44, so its possible the 2nd FJ and Herman Goring may have had some in use against the Russians.

However, I'd rather the devs implement some of the more common German weapons on the East Front first, such as the MG-30(t) (31,204) or the Gewehrgranatgerät rifle grenade (1,450,114). Heck, even the G-41 was more common than the FJ-42, 122,907 were built into 1944.

[Sichartshofen]

Originally Posted by FYROM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's what I've found on the East Front service of Fallschirmjager units:

1st Fallschirmjager Division
Sept 41 - Jun 42: Leningrad Front, Volkhov Front
Oct 42 - May 43: Smolensk Area

2nd Fallschirmjager Division
Oct 43 - May 44: Kiev, Kirovgrad, Bug River, Dniester River

Fallschirm-Panzer Division "Herman Goring"
Jun 41 - end of 41: Barbarossa
Jul 44 - May 45: Poland, East Prussia

Another one.

9.Fallschirmjäger Division

Eastern Front 1945

2.45 stellv. II. AK / AOK.11 Stargard
3.45 stellv. II. AK / PzAOK. 3Stettin, Prenzlau
4.45 XI. SS / AOK.9 Bridgehead Küstrin
5.45 LVI. AKZechlin, Gusow, Berlin area

The division was thrown into brutal and fierce combat in the region of the Order Front. What was left of it was finally pushed into Berlin where it fought to the last man at the Humboldthain Flakturm. The photo of the dead Fallschirmjäger with the FG42 is likely to be from this unit.

[shadowmoses]

Post some weapons that you would like to see be added to the weapon list.
Please put the name and why you think it should be added. Remember that they need to be true to this time on the eastern front (from 41-45)

If you dont think any weapons should be added then PLEASE DONT POST "I DONT THINK ANY SHOULD BE ADDED"

[Deathsai]

More anti-personnel grenades. Anti-tank grenades. Magnetic charges. Molotov cocktails.

[Rex]

those german stick grenades that attach the explosive charges of several grenades to a single stick to be used as an anti-tank weapon

maxim machine gun

nagant revolver

workable 88's (often used in an anti-personnel role) and other small semi-stationary anti-personnel cannons.

[Hyperion2010]

mp41
mauser pistol maybe
mp38 maybe
m44

what I want more though is random weapon models with different sight pictures and different textures an nicks (sorta like the difference between the sniper rifles and the regular versions ATM). I think that it would add a lot of depth and immersion to the game.