Where did I write that it would make your opinions superior if you have played Ostfront? I just wrote that it says the reason they dislike the game or a feature in the game (cause it isn't close enough to Ostfront).
Opinions are just that, opinions. Whose opinions are superior are in this case decided by TWI.
I agree, as I already said, everybody has their own opinions and all are equal to one another.
As well, I already said that it makes sense for people to say they liked something that was in a previous RO and are dissapointed that it's not in RO2 or it's different.... my point in my last post, as well as in my first post, is directly related to people who post "I'm an RO:Whatever Vet" in such a way that it's supposed to make their view and/or opinion somehow more valid than someone else's, and I'm just saying that it's pointless to do so because it doesn't matter if they're an RO1 vet, or I'm an RO:Mod vet or if you just got into RO via RO2..... everybody's opinion is equally valid to the next, thus stating this all the time just doesn't make sense and I find it creates a bad start to the conversation/debate/topic.
To me, it gives the impression that when someone says that, that's the bottom line and there's nothing more to discuss.
An Example:
Someone comes on here and states that they find that the gameplay is too run and gun and isn't like RO1, which they are more used to..... and then I come along and say that I feel the gameplay in RO2 is very much like what existed back in RO:CA, which was a faster pace, more intense and involved a number of players rushing objectives, rather than camping halfway across the map picking people off.
^ Both are opinions based on personal experiences we both have had while playing RO...... but then if we re-word the above as this:
"I'm an RO1 Vet, and from what I have experienced in RO2, the gameplay is too run and gun and isn't at all like RO1"...... then I respond,
"Well, I'm an RO:Mod Vet and the gameplay in RO2 is much closer to what was in the Mod and thus, the gameplay is exactly where it should be."
They both give off an absolute statement as if both of us are completely right in what we say, and by stating how long we have been playing RO, that somehow makes us more right...... however, since I have played RO longer and I'm both an RO1 and RO:Mod Vet..... I win.
I really didn't win and neither did the other guy, we're both expressing personal opinions on the subject and trying to justify our views by using previous RO's.
RO:CA isn't RO1 or RO2..... RO1 isn't RO:CA or RO2 and RO2 isn't RO:CA or RO1..... they're all very similar with certain elements, but each are very different from one another, both in game physics, gameplay in general and overall feel.
And that overall feel in each game is different to each player, where some like it or some hate it.
I loved RO:CA and I am really enjoying RO2, while RO1 just didn't do much for me...... yet others will be different, in that they might have never played the Mod, Loved RO1 but don't care much for RO2.
Regardless of whatever RO's we have played, didn't play, liked or hated, all of us are playing RO2 and all of us are trying to squeeze into RO2 everything we liked in the previous RO's..... and that's going to cause a lot of conflict between everybody who have different views on what direction RO2 should be heading.
Once we all acknowledge this fact that we're all coming from different views & different tastes, we can possibly start to be a little more constructive with one another, rather than constantly stating absolutes and not budging from our positions because we think we're more right.
You're no more right that I am, and I'm no more right than you or anybody else.... because we're stating our opinions on our specific preferences. That's not to say that an idea or feature you or I want in shouldn't be added in RO2 at all, but because of the situation the community is in, we all have to understand where we're all coming from and try to work together to figure out a middle ground that the majority of people can accept that meets both sides of the argument.
I think we all can agree that anyone that gives suggestions to increase the arcadegameplay in RO are totally wrong.
Actually, no we can not all agree. I'm not an arcade-gamestyle fan, but I'm also not a huge fan of complete war simulators.
There is a very tricky balance between incorporated "Realism" and fun & enjoyment in a video game.
Not everybody wants RO to be completely realistic to the point that it sucks the fun out of the game, yet not everybody wants the game to be another Beyond Castle Wolfenstein...... that's the conflict I'm talking about, where you have hardlined members standing by their ultra realism views, hardlined members standing by their enjoyment, arcadey fun views..... and everybody else is caught in the middle who don't want the game to go in either extreme direction.
Here, the RO VETS comes in and tell them how things work, how things should be, and what's forbidden and not. The people that have spent years upon years with playing the game, discussing the game, working with mods etc. knows a hell lot more than a random gamer that pops into the forums and give crazy ideas.
Again, so with that logic, since I have been playing RO since the mod days, I should start preaching to you how I think things should be and preach how things are or aren't..... and you should simply accept it.
Unless you played the UT2k3 mod before I played the UT2k4 mod, I over rule you.
See how that works?
See how that fails?
The people on this forum is all what matters.
Seriously?
The mainstream gamers can go and play something else and stop trying to change this game to another FPS. That's already happend though and RO2 isn't really a complete spiritual successor to the first and orginal RO.
The First and Original RO is the Mod for Unreal Tournament 2003, not RO:Ostfront.
If you want the mainstream to decide what's right and wrong to implement in this game well play COD and you'll see exactly what they want.
And I'm a RO OST VET, but I ain't got much skillpointz, perkz and unlockz in RO2, and no Hero rank, but I'm a RO VET.
Again, with people who preach about themselves being an RO:Ost Vet and ignoring that RO has existed before RO1.
The Mod is what made RO:Ostfront, it set the bar, it was what made Tripwire what it is today, it made RO1 possible..... it's what made Killing Floor Possible, it's what made RO2 possible.
RO1 may have been the first original retail game, but it is not the original standard of what all future Red Orchestras should abide by. You may think it is, but again.... that's your opinion, and your entire post is exactly what I have been talking about when it comes to members in here preaching on about what they think is biblical and can not be questioned.
You think what you say is absolute and everyone should agree with because you're an RO:Ost Vet.
If you want to play that game, than I'm an RO:Mod Vet and over rule your claims and I have the status to disqualify anything you say.
That's how you want it to work, right?
