[NEW MAP] Bridges of Druzhina

[Coin-goD]

I think germans shouldn't be able to recapture the first bridges objectives. Just played this map with humans for the first time and it was kinda sad for the Russians.

[11_HARLEY_11]

Originally Posted by Coin-goD

I think germans shouldn't be able to recapture the first bridges objectives. Just played this map with humans for the first time and it was kinda sad for the Russians.

It's hard I know and I'm listening to everyone.
The changes I'm making will help. But I've got a feeling I'll get just as many "It's now too easy!!"
I'm hearing everyone's requests and trying my best to make them (if I agree with them, that is). Some won't make it in the next version but most will...so hang in there and we'll all test the 2nd version soon. Don't forgetting this was the very first version after all, I had never once and was never able to test it with humans until it went public.

[Moskeeto]

Originally Posted by 11_HARLEY_11

It's hard I know and I'm listening to everyone.
The changes I'm making will help. But I've got a feeling I'll get just as many "It's now too easy!!"
I'm hearing everyone's requests and trying my best to make them (if I agree with them, that is). Some won't make it in the next version but most will...so hang in there and we'll all test the 2nd version soon. Don't forgetting this was the very first version after all, I had never once and was never able to test it with humans until it went public.

I'm looking forward to the next version. It ticks me off that people complain about the mapper loving the Germans too much. Just today I told someone that the map is still a work in progress, and there's no way you would have known about the balance issues without actual humans playing. Then he says "it's been a while, it should be fixed now." So I have to respond "it's only been 3 days!" People can be so impatient.

[Drecks]

Originally Posted by 11_HARLEY_11

It's hard I know and I'm listening to everyone.
The changes I'm making will help. But I've got a feeling I'll get just as many "It's now too easy!!"
I'm hearing everyone's requests and trying my best to make them (if I agree with them, that is). Some won't make it in the next version but most will...so hang in there and we'll all test the 2nd version soon. Don't forgetting this was the very first version after all, I had never once and was never able to test it with humans until it went public.

The deal is that with any new map the people need to know the flow. Now the difference with stock maps is that these are played over and over and players can't avoid them. Custom maps however when they are somewhat hard or new and need adjusting can get ignored. You will here thig like "ooh I get killed over and over on that map"

Its hard to gather good info. Sometimes the outcome depends on the team. I have joined as much games with humans as possible and did not get much wiser. Its no fun when you see players heading for E while B is the objective to attack.

Some player will show up here and post some thoughts thats good. A large number of players will start to complain during the game and will turn back to their comforts zone aka Appartments or Barracks.

You need to filter whats good and whats bad info and use that to make your plan.

Originally Posted by Moskeeto

So I have to respond "it's only been 3 days!" People can be so impatient.

Iff that was the only problem it would be ok. Free content to play and they expect it ready to play as stock maps
while even these lately got tweaked. Almost a year after release.

[clambo]

Originally Posted by 11_HARLEY_11

It's hard I know and I'm listening to everyone.
The changes I'm making will help. But I've got a feeling I'll get just as many "It's now too easy!!"
I'm hearing everyone's requests and trying my best to make them (if I agree with them, that is). Some won't make it in the next version but most will...so hang in there and we'll all test the 2nd version soon. Don't forgetting this was the very first version after all, I had never once and was never able to test it with humans until it went public.

My compliments, this is one of the best first versions I've ever seen

[11_HARLEY_11]

Bridges of Druzhina updated

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.co...ad.php?t=82210

[Yoshiro]

Originally Posted by Mike_Nomad

Thank you for you prompt reply. The work-around is working fine thus far. However for obvious reasons, we turned off map voting.

We have pushed out an optional server update to fix this issue.

[Mike_Nomad]

Originally Posted by Yoshiro

We have pushed out an optional server update to fix this issue.

Thank you kind sir......

[thens]

Good job, thanks! :-)

[Mike_Nomad]

Originally Posted by Yoshiro

We have pushed out an optional server update to fix this issue.

And..... it works perfectly... played all day without so much as a hiccup.

TYVM!

[11_HARLEY_11]

Originally Posted by Mike_Nomad

And..... it works perfectly... played all day without so much as a hiccup.

TYVM!

That's great to hear. Thanks TW.

[shakenbake]

If I haven't said it already I'll say it again...

Harley that's ONE KICK ARSH MAP!!!

[migmadmarine]

Love this map, my favorite defiantly. Little problem with the trees on the left of the Russian spawn, the hit boxes are MASSIVE, you can aim a good 20-30 feet from a tree trunk and still hit the hit box.

[11_HARLEY_11]

Originally Posted by shakenbake

If I haven't said it already I'll say it again...

Harley that's ONE KICK ARSH MAP!!!

Thanks Shake, it's always nice to kick arsh!

Originally Posted by migmadmarine

Love this map, my favorite defiantly. Little problem with the trees on the left of the Russian spawn, the hit boxes are MASSIVE, you can aim a good 20-30 feet from a tree trunk and still hit the hit box.

cheers Mig, Iv'e fixed it for the next version...coming soon.

[Fisher]

Awesome map! Best I've played and felt allot like some DH maps!

Just please, don't add much more detail, if any! Standard RO2 maps are such performance hogs, for this reason I believe.

[Nylle]

I played this map today. It’s amazing to say the least.

Here’s the things I love:
I love that the Russians have 1 tank, and not the Germans.
I love the bridges, trenches, ruins and houses. They are all so cool!
I love the ground, yep. Very detailed geometry, some development time well spent.
I love the late autumn/early winter feel of the map, muddy and not to cold.
I love the entire map, I love the gameplay.

Here’s some things that I dislike:
There’s an invisible barrier my tank drives into on a side street.

Here’s todays battles story.

Spoiler!

First Game:
I start and join the Russians in the last minutes of a battle.
Believing that the Germans are attacking because we have all points and they got to cross a bridge I start to defend. It was hilarious when I later realized my mistake.
Because I though the Germans where attacking and not getting anywhere I joined them.
We hold of the Russians from the last bridge just like the Russians use to do on the old ROOST map 'Leningrad' and win. Epic fight.

Second game:
I start as German and defend the trenches, some really cool 'hold the line action'.
I get auto-switched to Soviets. Select role -> Tank Commander.
We push through the city and encounter moderate resistance.
We get hold up at the last 2 cap points before the bridge and a really fun struggle starts.
We manage to cap the points with still plenty of minutes left that we earned by taking the city so fast by deploying premium teamwork.
We get bogged down some more minutes because no one is getting onto the bridge.
Suddenly, someone pop smoke on the German end of the bridge.
I take my chances and drives straight into the capzone in the bridge.
My teammates keep engineers of me and i cap the last point for my team and we win. A very even and fun struggle for both sides.

Third Game:
I start as Soviets and start attacking the German trenches. That wasteland you have to cross is really cool, feels like WW1. There are a perfect amount of cover there, so don't add too much.
Me my Squad Leader and some other guy crawled on the far left flank and infiltrated the German trench, it felt just like I used to do on some old ROOST map, awesome.
The Germans re-capped the trench and we had a hard time getting anywhere.
Because we had no tanks I was brave enough to take the Tank Commander role.
It totally rocked, I worked together with my team and after a long and bloody struggle we had taken the bridge and the forest.
The German anti-tank soldiers and engineers probably had a really great time because we often got caught in duels and I killed a bunch of them and they killed a bunch of Me's. It’s a great Tank vs. Engineer map.
In the city we pushed on, but my tank got immobilized on the main street so I did my best from there.
By the time my turret got stuck and I had to scuttle the tank, the battle was at a stalemate on the middle of the map. Very exiting!
As we captured the city and started to advance to capture the bridge we ran out of time. We got bogged down for too long at each objective.
But it was alright, I just had one of the best games I've played in Ro2.

Conclusion:
I love tanking on combined arms map and this was the best tanking experience I had so far. In any game ever created, I'm serious.
This map both looks and feels like the final version, even if it’s in BETA.

The difficulty of the map is perfect, it doesn’t favor anyone. I had two and a half very even and very fun matches.
Some might say it’s too hard for the Russians, but I think that the attacking team should have a challenge ahead of them.
Attacking should be hard, because the joy of winning is so much greater.
Other than possible bug fixing I don't think this map needs any adjustments in gameplay. It’s brilliant as it is.

If it was any easier for any team it would break the challenge of this map.


Thank you so much HARLEY! I don't know where your mapping skills came from but I really appreciate the detail and time you have put into this map. And the gameplay layout is brilliant.
Cheers!

[11_HARLEY_11]

Man I wish they still had the thumbs up system here because that's an awesome post. I love hearing that people like the map but it's the stories like this that make it really worth while. I've always loved maps that move through many stages so you can look back and remember the progression and the moments. Maps that go round and round with say four caps that just go back and forth between teams don't have that sense of story and progression that I love. Thanks Nylle for taking the time to write all that down, it's was awesome.

Regarding balance etc a few spawns have been moved for the next version as the majority of the games I've been in the Russians move through the town centre too quickly and the Germans don't get much of a chance to defend. So the spawns have been tweaked a little. Also capping times are too fast currently.

Where were you hitting an invisible wall exactly? Sometimes those wooden chairs on the street are like hitting a wall, lol. Be nice if the tank broke the things when it ran into them. take a screenshot if you can.

[Nylle]

Sounds like some good changes.
Heres a image of the 'glasswall' I ran into with my tank.
It could be a trigger or something with some weird collision settings, id don't know.
http://imageshack.us/f/840/2012080700001.jpg/
It dosen't show exacly where it is, just roughly.

[sajko33]

Great map had a blast playing it with 64 human server. But here's one problem when spawning on SL. I often fell out of map after spawning and died ofcourse, it happened twice out of 3 spawns on SL. Started spawning on normal spawn after that and was ok.

[r5cya]

Originally Posted by sajko33

Great map had a blast playing it with 64 human server. But here's one problem when spawning on SL. I often fell out of map after spawning and died ofcourse, it happened twice out of 3 spawns on SL. Started spawning on normal spawn after that and was ok.

i had it happen about five times last i played. i was not spawning on squad leader.
harley might want to ask twi about this. apartments had the same problem.