Steam (!) Why?

[[CoR]MiccyNarc]

Originally Posted by Klompen

Just because you disagree with me does not make ad hom attacks appropriate. I have listed a whole slew of reasons why I think Steam is a horrible choice. You did not provide even one counter argument in your post.

Yes, Valve is based in Seattle, but you're missing the point. If ANYTHING happens to the Steam sever system, no more Red Orchestra, Vampire the Masquerade, DoD:Source, CS:Source, or Half-Life 2 for that matter.

I suggest you review my posting history at the old forums prior to calling me a fool.

You listed no reasons, you simply posted paranoid whining and I'm sick of seeing it.

The HL community finally have started to love Steam, now it's time we all jumped on the bandwagon, k?

[[TW]schneidzekk]

Just to clarify, the steam servers aren't located in one single place, they are located all around the world, no need to panic.

[KrazyKraut]

Originally Posted by [CoR]MiccyNarc

You listed no reasons, you simply posted paranoid whining and I'm sick of seeing it.

The HL community finally have started to love Steam, now it's time we all jumped on the bandwagon, k?

No that's not true. Simply those who hate Steam left the community (e.g.: me). And it's not our time to jump the bandwagon. Online gaming worldwide is working very well without Steam. Basically RO might be the first non-valve-steam-only-game worth mentioning at all.

I feel like Klompen: I understand this is an easy way for a very small team like Tripwire to publish their game and somehow i can't blame them, but on the other hand i hope you know what you've done: Basically you've bound RO to Steam for eternity. You'll lose a lot of players especially outside of the US, where credit cards are not so common, but i think this gap will be filled with enough new guys from the steam community.

As for me, I see no advantage in having Steam. Automatic updates piss me off, i rather install them myself, cheating in Steam-games is just as bad as anywhere else... So what i get is yet another icon in my system tray of which i don't know how much resources it eats or what exactly it does... and i feel very uncomfortable with that. Not to mention i'm one of the old-fashioned guys who like to have a CD, from which they can install the game where and how often they want, without having to keep track of a dozen logins and passwords possibly having to buy the game again should **** hit the fan.


In short: You sold your soul to the devil. I'm out.

[Switchblade]

I must say I never was a big fan of steam

hell it even costed me 4 HL keys and 3 E-mail adresses to get it running the first time, but I must admit that it works better and better.

The only problems experienced lately is in the offline mode which sometimes just refuses to work, not very nice on Lan partys with no internet connection available.

But from a business view I think Steam is the best ( and perhaps only) option for a game like RO to publish at minimum costs/risk.

I know that the guys from the team invested a good deal of their savings (and even more) in this project and it is in their best interest to comercially sell it as best as they can.
Steam has a proved online buy system, a good authetification system ( not unimportant with the current piracy in softarecountry ) so probably the best cards to publish a "small" project like RO-of.

The only counter arguments I see here are only from a personal point of view ( no credit card, don't want a steamlike application )

Its the way it is I think, you will have to live with it (or not and leave, but then you will miss one of the best games of this century ), its Tripwires decision and I think for them the best one they could take.

[Touch]

Originally Posted by [RO]schneidzekk

Just to clarify, the steam servers aren't located in one single place, they are located all around the world, no need to panic.

Yes around world.... Valve makes mistake (bad update or etc... ) and servers all around the world and/or 6 million client is dead.... 6 million veeeery happy user? It's not does it happen, it's WHEN it happen...

Who is that one and only who has not trouble with steam? Steam is evil, it that now and forever but forced to use it so I use... it (against will). How many of you read steam forums? How many in there is happy with steam?
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/

I use steam every day and every day I curse it. It's give a lot but it's take too... I don't know any of my friends who likes steam (we all are over 25) I play only DoD:S - same server every time, hate to use that "middleware" that I can play...

And what comes to servers.... we have few source-servers and 1 UT server and few other gameservers.... why our other servers don't need so much maintain as source-servers does? Because simple is good, ex UTserver is simple and stand straight Source is THE troublemaker, eat resources and bad deal with memory... Everybody warn me about BF2-server and how hard it's upkeep... nonsense if vs source!

regards
Touch

PS. Why the h*ll I have to be online when I play old HL1 singleplayer mod??

PS II. Where in steam is box where I can denied steam to send information about my computer?

[[TW]schneidzekk]

You cold say that about every system. If some weird techie screws the root dns servers, the internet is dead. Well, that would be serious.

Some gamers who cannot play online for some hours doesn't stop the world from spinning.

P.S.: There will be no Source based server for RO, it is still UE 2.5

[Touch]

Originally Posted by [RO]schneidzekk

You cold say that about every system. If some weird techie screws the root dns servers, the internet is dead. Well, that would be serious.

That was very weird parallel
DNS die - Internet won't die, it's just get hiccup

[[TW]schneidzekk]

If you think so..

[LinuxRocks]

Well, from what I have read, Steam is only the delivery method. I am betting that we can still copy over the files, once we have them, into the UT2004 directory and still run it.

Either way, I refuse to load up my copy of Windows XP just for ONE game. Sure, I like RO, but there are TONS of other mods out there that are the same or better. Plus, when UT2007 arrives it will blow away the current crop of games and will have Linux and Mac support. There will be another team that is more open and will create another great mod.

I will continue to play RO in its current state, but when the move is complete to Steam, and someone hasn't hacked it to run on Linux, that will be it for me.

There are still TONS of great commercial games to play natively on Linux like Quake 4, Doom3 and all the mods that will come out for them.

Sure, Tripwire might see a little money from this and for them, I'm happy. But they lost some of the community that made them what they are today, and that is devistating for a community to feel USED; and devistating for the company that used them.

Slow as it might seem, Linux and MAC are rising to the top in the desktop market and MS is falling.

Good luck to you all... And best wishes...

Joe

[CamperJoe]

Originally Posted by LinuxRocks

when UT2007 arrives it will blow away the current crop of games and will have Linux and Mac support.

No it won't

[LinuxRocks]

Originally Posted by CamperJoe

No it won't

Yes it will

[CamperJoe]

Originally Posted by LinuxRocks

Yes it will

K, bye now.

[LinuxRocks]

Bye Bye

[TheConquerorWorm]

Hello all! I'm new and should not be listened to (if you look at some posts in this thread).

This month I bought Unreal Tournament 2004 for the pure purpose of playing Red Orchestra in Xandros 3.0 (Linux distro). I've been (and still am) really addicted to a Half-Life 2 mod called Plan of Attack. Only thing about this mod I don't like is Steam and that it runs only in Windows (with reasonable performance). In my search for a way of playing a good team based multiplayer fps in Linux I bought Cedega to try and emulate it. I got Steam running in Linux, I even got Plan of Attack running at 10 fps. After a few week and lots of stress getting PoA to run playable in Linux, I gave up and returned to Windows.

That's when I read about Red Orchestra in the Xandros forums. I thought "Great. A game that has some similarities with Plan of Attack and runs in Linux!", and ordered Unreal Tournament 2004.

When I had Unreal Tournament 2004 running, I started trying to get RO to play in Linux. First off... The install was horrible - no download mirrors for linux version and a lot of searching on these forums to get the game patched up to most recent version. Everytime I try to start a game (not menu, all that works fine. an actual online game); it runs for 2-3 seconds and crashes back to desktop.

Valve is bad to gaming - they intentionally cripple their source engine to be Windows only.

To sum up a few things for all the guys saying "It would cost 1 billion to port it to Linux".
1. How much do you think a Linux gamer and open source coder would take to be "The programmer that helped Valve make steam run in Linux"? I'm talking about Steam - not the games.
2. Half-Life 1 had OpenGL support. Why can't they add that to Source? I'd buy all Steam games I've bought this far all over again if they'd support Linux (DOD:S, Ragdoll Kungfu, Half-Life 2, Half-Life 2 DM, CS:S, CS, Half-Life premier pack).
3. Why can both ID and Epic make good engines that run in Linux? DooM 3, Quake 4, Unreal series, tons of Unreal engine games.

Now that RO comes to Steam, it's the same as Plan of Attack for me. I haven't played RO yet because it won't run in Linux (for unknown reasons to me) and I have no intentions of playing it in any other OS than Linux. If it'll provide support for Linux in a decent way, (ie: Unreal Tournament 2004; no hassle, just run the install script and you're good to go) I will buy it, not only to myself, but, to my little brother aswell.

Sorry if I offended anyone by writing this post.

//TCW

[Varsity]

Steam is bad to gaming - they intentionally cripple their source engine to be Windows only.

I take it you mean Valve and how they chose to use DirectX? Either, use Cedega and it will all run fine.

[D.a.L-UnteroffizierG]

Originally Posted by [RO]schneidzekk

In the Germany i live, most people have and use CCs. You cannot even rent a car without one. I know that younger people do not have a CC, i mean for a reason, but it is not a big deal to ask mom/dad/brother/sister/pet. I bet it wouldn't be the first time.

Hi, sorry thats NOT true. I am native german an only a few people here have cc's. AND you can rent cars in germany without a cc (www.sixt.de, www.starcar.de). I LOVE Ro and i wanna get it. even over steam. but i dont need a cc (and i am not 16 years old, i am 26). so i dont have one. So why you dont use PayPal or some thing. HEY we live in the 21th century and are familar to computers and the internet. credit cards are outdated!


By the way: is it REALY true that steam spyes on my pc???? i heard much paranoia. Someone here who has some REAL fact about steam?


long live ro, long live D.a.L



www.muttisbesten.de

[Ornagy Tom]

Still no Hungarians, I see

This is....interesting. Ro would have to be my favourite WWII FPS to date, and I would like to get Ostfront, but Steam does limit my options some. First of all, I have a terrible internet connection at home, and I don't want to be hogging the phone line for a couple weeks. I am also one that isn't entirely impressed with Steam. The idea is gold, I just don't like how it's been implemented.

Here's a question. It's been said that the program will not need a Steam authentication to run in practice mode, but does that include LAN as well? As LAN is probably where I'm going to be playing this most.....

[brew master]

I have been playing computer games since the vic 20, 64 and then Amiga. A lot of you will not know what that is. I have heard so much complaining about linux vrs windows. I am not against linux at all but unless you want to play some of the best games in the world you 1. either better learn some code to rewrite the game or 2. figure out a duel boot system. I cant believe that people actually sit around and look for just games that come out for that operating system. YOU ARE MISSING SO MUCH!

I dont know what RO is? I never heard of it till a quick easy steam popup informed me of a new game coming out. I highly doubt that this game will hold a prayer to DOD source and someone please tell me I am right!!!!!????

I have been using steam since it came out. I have not had one problem with it since then. these are the reasons i like it and it is going to become the only way to game:

1. freedom to install it on any computer you want (any amount of computers) anywhere in the world at anytime without any software. I bought halflife 2 before a friend of mine. I left town for the weekend and gave him my username and he was able to download the game and play it on his computer without buying it to see if he liked it! (only very close friends i would alow to do that)

2. you can back up the games now so you can reload them faster if your system crashes. it will break the file down to fit on so many cds or DVD size

3. UPDATES. software developers screw up . (period) hackers find new ways to mess things up. I read that people were complaining of the updates they had to wait on when they loaded steam. Well updates for the most part are good. I can remember some bad ones but thats life. I want the best game there is and I want the update fast. I dont go to the games website everytime before i play to check to see if they fixed a glitch. By the way I dont wait for updates. Steam runs on my computer 24/7 and it is always up to date when i need it. For those of you that say it is resource hungry I feel sorry for you playing on such a crappy machine. GOOD online games will need to be updated to tweak them to become better for the players.

4. I dont have to run to the store to get a copy of the game or I dont have to wait till it is released and shipped to my house.

5. Hackers are able to be banned for good ( or at least make them buy another id)

6. illegal copies are cut down along with makers overhead so the game should be alittle cheaper

7. Credit cards???? I think you cant buy it other ways but really if you are 18 or older you dont know someone you can use a card from? Debit cards work. If you are not 18 or older you should be playing SIMS anyway.

I was pissed about the first WON servers shutting down and if I wanted to keep advancing with the games I had to go to this thing called Steam, but after I have been using it all this time I have grown to like it.

Brew

[KrazyKraut]

Originally Posted by D.a.L-UnteroffizierG

Hi, sorry thats NOT true. I am native german an only a few people here have cc's. AND you can rent cars in germany without a cc (www.sixt.de, www.starcar.de). I LOVE Ro and i wanna get it. even over steam. but i dont need a cc (and i am not 16 years old, i am 26). so i dont have one. So why you dont use PayPal or some thing. HEY we live in the 21th century and are familar to computers and the internet. credit cards are outdated!


By the way: is it REALY true that steam spyes on my pc???? i heard much paranoia. Someone here who has some REAL fact about steam?


long live ro, long live D.a.L



www.muttisbesten.de

I second that. I'm 23 years old and i never ever needed a cc. Electronic Cash is the deal in Germany if you want to go plastic. And brewmaster... 1st of all don't downtalk ppl who aren't 18 yet... especially if you are older than that. Maybe you're the one needing to play sims. 2nd somehow i don't feel like asking others to use their credit card.

[lasrer]

Oh please for the love of god people! Why dont you all linux lovers understand that releasing RO on steam is the best thing they can do! Please all you nay sayers havent said anything about any alternative to steam. Do you think its so goddamn easy to get a publishing deal??!? What should these guys do? Walk up to EA and say hey here are our new game, its a hardcore WW2 online PC ONLY FPS. The market for this game is REALLY SMALL comparing to lets say Need For Speed. How much money do you think they would make if EA would publish it?!

Steam is so ****ing great! I run it on my computer with absolutley NO PROBLEMS at all. It takes 3mb of ram wich is nothing, just running in the background without any annoying things at all.

About the security thing. The whole security issue is so so so so so so so so so overblown its funny. People need to realize this, for companies it can be bad. for a normal user they dont need to worry. Just run windows firewall (works like a charm) and never buy any anti-virus ***** never run any anti spyware ***** just update your windows with the automatic updater and you will have no problem!

If you are the slightest careful what you are downloading, you wont have any problem at all.

never heard of RO before, went here to check it out since i saw the update on steam! Online distribution is great, steam works great, People need to understand that gaming on a pc will be done on a windows machine, for a long time to come!