Welcome to TWI Ladder

[ButchCassidy]

Originally Posted by flavin420

So I know the ladder is still in its infancy, and I myself have never particiapated in any type of comp ladder, I do have a question.

Are these ladders typically a bracket type competition with single/double elimination or more of a point based where clans can challenge each other on determined day n time, to be an overall point leader amoung the groups?

More like the latter..Teams can challenge each other on a regular basis and graded on performance, so if you beat a team rated higher than you then you move up the ladder etc.

[Zetsumei]

Originally Posted by flavin420

So I know the ladder is still in its infancy, and I myself have never particiapated in any type of comp ladder, I do have a question.

Are these ladders typically a bracket type competition with single/double elimination or more of a point based where clans can challenge each other on determined day n time, to be an overall point leader amoung the groups?

Ladder websites often offer ladders, leagues and tournaments.

Ladder -> ongoing continuous never ending system where players can somewhat decide who to play and when. The goal of a ladder traditionally is to give a good overview of the strengths of different teams using a mathematical scoring system, so you can find and play teams of similar strength. Instead of continuously playing very weak or strong teams.

League -> A league generally runs with the least amount of players. Basically one group of teams is together, and everybody plays every opponent once. The team with the most wins will, win the league. The disadvantage of a league is that continuous activity is required for a team to participate.

Tournament -> As in a league you need to play every team you cannot hold a league with huge amounts of teams. A tournament generally works through single or double elimination knockout. Everybody gets a spot in a tree and fights their way up. To reduce the chance of 2 very good teams fighting each other in the early rounds, often leagues offer seeding/pool matches in the form of multiple small leagues where the winner of every pool is placed in a different branch. The big disadvantage of a tournament, is that if you loose early you basically have no match to play for a long time.

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All hold their own advantages and disadvantages.

Ladders allow a lot of freedom, and can work with big player amounts, and encourages matches to be played of similar skill, but to work well need a somewhat complex scoring system.

Leagues are statistically very strong however continuous activity is required of teams, and unless a ladder is used for grouping the teams in a league. It can mean that a very strong team will have to play against a very weak team.

Tournaments, allow you to find a winner out of a big group of participants in a relatively quick way. However if a team loses early he won't have any matches to participate in any more.

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Often a mix of different systems is used.
Like before where a league system is used to determine placement within a tournament. A ladder is often used to determine whether a player or team is strong enough to participate in a league or tournament.

Ladders can be very strong for seeding of teams as well, which is why in a lot of games all results of leagues and tournaments are added to ladders.

As ladders often have a more complex scoring system that is less intuitive, a league or tournament among the top teams in a ladder can often be held to decide the winner.

[Dosk]

This will be excellent for competitive play I think. You have the trolls and neg. nancies, but the ratio of players vs the trolls makes it not even worth feeding. Plus there is still Rising Storm to look forward to and possibilities of other major additions. So, regardless of what people who played for the first month of the game and rage quit think, there is still a bright future for RO2.

[Tormentor(Dittler)inruB]

Wasnt there allready a TWI Ladder for Ostfront at its launch 2006?
As far I can remember it ****ed up after a half year and was dead.

Anyway, dont have much trust in this TWI Ladder.
At the end I guess there are just around 8 Clans who play active.
New teams ( if there will be really some new teams, I doubt it )
will in most cases nub around and die after some time.
Another point is the way of Administration and support from TWI.

I just dont know expect from this ladder. But if there is really something serious
in future, my Team probably joins the action.
Lets wait and see...

[Zetsumei]

Originally Posted by Dosk

This will be excellent for competitive play I think. You have the trolls and neg. nancies, but the ratio of players vs the trolls makes it not even worth feeding. Plus there is still Rising Storm to look forward to and possibilities of other major additions. So, regardless of what people who played for the first month of the game and rage quit think, there is still a bright future for RO2.

A lot of the "trolls" around here, are some of the most dedicated competitive players though .

[Zetsumei]

Originally Posted by Tormentor(Dittler)inruB

Wasnt there allready a TWI Ladder for Ostfront at its launch 2006?
As far I can remember it ****ed up after a half year and was dead.

Anyway, dont have much trust in this TWI Ladder.
At the end I guess there are just around 8 Clans who play active.
New teams ( if there will be really some new teams, I doubt it )
will in most cases nub around and die after some time.
Another point is the way of Administration and support from TWI.

I just dont know expect from this ladder. But if there is really something serious
in future, my Team probably joins the action.
Lets wait and see...

ROLadder existed from late 2004 IIRC, and remained active into 2012. ROL was shut down when the competitive community went to an activity level that was lower than in the mod, as the staff didn't feel like building a new community from scratch for various reasons combined with that nobody wanted to replace the staff in running the site in the end it was closed a few months ago. There was never an official TWI ladder for what its worth, although TWI heavily supported TWL at the ostfront launch while it failed pretty quick so you might be thinking of that.

There have been ladders on TWL ESL CLanbase and other locations, but they all fell apart due to shoddy rules.

RO2 atm is not really well suited to competitive play, but hopefully the collaboration with the TWI, some things can get modified and added to make the game competitive. Like many people I'm currently wanting to see before I believe, because creating a new website takes quite a long time when doing it right.

[Pa++on]

Were the rest of the promised competitive features patched in?

ROLadder had very stringent rules against hacking. Anything less would be a disservice.

Simply relying on the built-in anti-cheat would be foolish. I'm staying out if that's the case.

[ButchCassidy]

Originally Posted by Prophet*ntk

Team Chaos gives full support for the Ladder Idea.

I'm willing to help get this project off and running.

Thanks Prophet..You know where the application section is

[Das Bose]

Originally Posted by Rak

ITT, TWI realises the importance of a healthy clan community and makes a poor attemt to revive it, after euthanizing it shortly after the release. Needless to say, the people they are looking for are long gone to other games, pissed off and probably hate the game now.

This!

Yet another token gesture, too little and way too late.

We had a great ladder.........we had a great game too

[ButchCassidy]

Originally Posted by Pa++on

Were the rest of the promised competitive features patched in?

ROLadder had very stringent rules against hacking. Anything less would be a disservice.

Simply relying on the built-in anti-cheat would be foolish. I'm staying out if that's the case.

An aweful lot of assumption there..Why don't you ask instead of assuming?

Originally Posted by Das Bose

This!

Yet another token gesture, too little and way too late.

We had a great ladder.........we had a great game too

ROL has unfortunately gone and we must all move on..
You are of course fully entitled to your opinion but I would hope that others are prepared to treat this new competitive venture with a bit more optimism..
This is a new site and a new beginning..We really hope that players will join in and help create an all new RO2 competitive community where everyone is welcome and everyone can enjoy the game in a competitive enviroment...

[Pa++on]

Originally Posted by ButchCassidy

An aweful lot of assumption there..Why don't you ask instead of assuming?

Eh, first sentence clearly ended was a question that I'd still be pleased to have answered. Mainly the recording feature is what I'm talking about though there's a couple competitive-friendly tweaking abilities that aren't as much of a deal breaker but still a sign of good faith.

No assumptions in my post at all, three sentences consisting of a question, a declaration, and a conditional.

Is this a joint venture between TWI and TWB anyways?

[daösi]

good work here , cant waiT

[ButchCassidy]

Originally Posted by Pa++on

Is this a joint venture between TWI and TWB anyways?

No this is TWI's own official competitive site and will eventually cover all their games that offer a competitive gametype.
TWIL will eventually cover a lot more ground than just RO2.
But RO2 is a great place to start in our opinion

TWB are not involved as a group in anyway.

[Pa++on]

Originally Posted by ButchCassidy

No this is TWI's own official competitive site and will eventually cover all their games that offer a competitive gametype.
TWIL will eventually cover a lot more ground than just RO2.
But RO2 is a great place to start in our opinion

TWB are not involved as a group in anyway.

Eh, I hope to play some matches with y'all in the hopefully near future. I'm looking forward to it, I'm not pumped, but there's no competitive shooter I enjoy right now and hoping that coming back to RO2 after a few months will do. See you on the battlefields of Europe.

[barriKada]

ButchCassidy

when its going to start? iD clan is waiting!

[Yoshiro]

We are working to get our website ready. When we do there will be alot more information. As always, those interested in helping, please apply!

[[F|H]dutchy]

So funny to see allot of negative and cry posts in the forums, while the servers and players are alive and kicking. What is especially interesting is to see some of you speaking like you know it all and people left, like you said, like you know them all.

Just ignore them and get this league started please, F|H clan will be ready to start in it. And I think many other clans will take part also.

[CopperHead]

"Soon" must mean within 9 months to a year.

[akb]

2 months since last update. Any news?

[Snuffeldjuret]

11 day bump (meh, bored :P)