Qurious about OP-whiners being good KF-ambassadors?

[Maddoxx]

Yes, as the title says!

I myself always use superlatives to non KF-players, whether it be in person, over phone, non KF-internetforums, etc.. I promote KF anytime i can to newbies, because i wouldn´t mind if the KF-playerbase grew as much as possible = i interprete that as longer life.

Since i have read several ( many all together ) whining OP-posts, i am qurious how an OP-whiner in person would describe KF to a newbie that hasn´t bought the game yet?

Are OP-whiners good KF-ambassadors?

I hope!?

[Splatpope]

I'm qurious about where you learned english

Otherwise, I'd tell a KF noob that it is one of the only games I know that really need cooperation to be enjoyable, even if it's creators concerns lately have been to give a grand total of 0 ****s about what needs to be fixed in the game and rather give their attention to more and more broken stuff that they didn't even make themselves.

woop woop I'm a op whiner

[EgreSS]

You must be annoyed by all the people complaining. I understand. But maybe if you were more open-minded about how others felt (I'm not trying to offend you in any way, just trying to help.)

Look at it this way, not only KF but games in general have a variety of players. They can range from noobs to advanced players. Also, there are some casual gamers who play for fun and not often, or there can be people who like to play serious and want to win always and such.

I myself, like to play serious most of the time, but I do it for fun. Games are meant to be fun, not meant to spark fights and angers.

I find it unreasonable for people to fight over a game, alas, its just a game right?

Try to understand how others feel, especially the advanced players that play HoE. To find out the challenge has been disrupted by upgrades and new weapons can make the game less appealing to them just as much as them complaining makes the game less appealing to you.

Now, I don't want to start sounding like your mother or something, but be more open minded on many views of a situation. Now I'm starting to sound like a politician. I'ma go before a moderator smites me.

[Azukki]

A lot of the people whining about aspects of the game do so because the game as a whole has importance to them, because overall, they love it.

[Spicy]

Originally Posted by Azukki

A lot of the people whining about aspects of the game do so because the game as a whole has importance to them, because overall, they love it.

Seriously, just look at the Diablo 3 section of Blizzard's forums.

[FSUBoo]

I told a few close friends, in IMs after the release of the new DLC, that the patch would be loved by the general population, but the hardcore, HoE only players that run in tight knit groups (like the one Egress, Amber Lamps, and I run in) would hate the patch. It makes the game brokenly easy, and that's all we're saying. Some players, Kilroy included, troll because they find it fun. As Amber Lamps/Glass has said, the OP FB and op pump shotguns were jokes, that are use quite often in our little group.

[C_Gibby]

I wonder sometimes.

I have noobie friends who have higher-up perks, and they find hard/suicidal a genuinely hard challenge.

I'm starting to think that a lot of the outcrying of weapon OPness (the standard pumpshotgun overpowered? really?) is mostly there because the people who consider things OP are just a little too good at the game, or forget that HOE is actually supposed to be beatable.

Personally, I'm less worried about weapons that are OP, and more about ones that are underpowered or massively devalued by other weapons.

[FSUBoo]

Originally Posted by C_Gibby

I wonder sometimes.

I have noobie friends who have higher-up perks, and they find hard/suicidal a genuinely hard challenge.

I'm starting to think that a lot of the outcrying of weapon OPness (the standard pumpshotgun overpowered? really?) is mostly there because the people who consider things OP are just a little too good at the game, or forget that HOE is actually supposed to be beatable.

Personally, I'm less worried about weapons that are OP, and more about ones that are underpowered or massively devalued by other weapons.

I've said for a long time also that it's not necessarily the perks that are any more OP today than they used to be, it's the players that are using them that make them that way. You have players like Devante, Scary Ghost, etc that make the game look easy, and then others have learned from them, and that's where the group that says the game is easy comes from.

[EgreSS]

Originally Posted by FSUBoo

I've said for a long time also that it's not necessarily the perks that are any more OP today than they used to be, it's the players that are using them that make them that way. You have players like Devante, Scary Ghost, etc that make the game look easy, and then others have learned from them, and that's where the group that says the game is easy comes from.

Don't forget Fang.

devante is mean 8(

[C_Gibby]

Originally Posted by FSUBoo

I've said for a long time also that it's not necessarily the perks that are any more OP today than they used to be, it's the players that are using them that make them that way. You have players like Devante, Scary Ghost, etc that make the game look easy, and then others have learned from them, and that's where the group that says the game is easy comes from.

Yep, exactly. You could ask A LOT of players out there if they think the game is easy, and chances are, they'd say "no". That's cos they have a million tricks under their belt shared with a lot of fellow oldies which they picked up during their three years at the Killing Floor university.

Not to mention, loads of practise.

Recently, I got a load of compliments for decapping a pile of clots with just a knife whilst I was working on getting the lower-level Hellride achievements out of the way on a public game. I was amazed that such a thing was ever considered worthy of complimenting. Then I realised that on this forum where such a thing is so second-nature and mundane, we forget that the outside playerbase is oblivious to these tricks. They're even oblivious to the fact that beating a HOE game is actually possible.

So really, the game isn't horribly unbalanced. YES there are balance issues, most notably where weapons get devalued and the like. There are also perks that have tricks that are a little too over-the-top easy and cheatlike, such as the chainsaw patty rape (now gone) and the current fleshpound knife-kiting.

[Maddoxx]

I have gotten several opinions and explanations about KF...which is information worthy to note, but my initial question have been unanswered by some.

Again: how would an OP-whiner describe KF to a newbie? As a good ambassador or with criticism? Should a newbie buy KF and why? Or not? What say?

[C_Gibby]

Originally Posted by Maddoxx

I have gotten several opinions and explanations about KF...which is information worthy to note, but my initial question have been unanswered by some.

Again: how would an OP-whiner describe KF to a newbie? As a good ambassador or with criticism?

You can't just pigeon-hole every single person who has criticisms of the game's balance as all being people who either promote the game or don't promote the game, that's just plain retarded.

I, personally, while I have a bunch of things about KF that I dislike, I believe it's an absolutely great game and everybody should have it. If I didn't like the game, I wouldn't have been playing it since it was new, now, would I?

[Maddoxx]

Originally Posted by C_Gibby

You can't just pigeon-hole every single person who has criticisms of the game's balance as all being people who either promote the game or don't promote the game, that's just plain retarded.

I, personally, while I have a bunch of things about KF that I dislike, I believe it's an absolutely great game and everybody should have it. If I didn't like the game, I wouldn't have been playing it since it was new, now, would I?

Well, if a person have avid thoughts about something then these thoughts may be conveyed to others with perhaps undesired effect?

Even if a person is passionate about something and is in a possible love-hate-situation, what words come out do matter.

People do get affected by opinions! One single word can make it or break it!

[Undedd Jester]

TBH now I probably wouldn't recommend KF to a friend for 1 reason. I cannot play a game with them.

I either go into a difficulty too hard for them and they get shanked, or I go into a difficulty too easy for me and I spend 98% of my time knifing poeple in the back of the head.

[Maddoxx]

Originally Posted by Undedd Jester

TBH now I probably wouldn't recommend KF to a friend for 1 reason. I cannot play a game with them.

I either go into a difficulty too hard for them and they get shanked, or I go into a difficulty too easy for me and I spend 98% of my time knifing poeple in the back of the head.

I did not specifically say friend. I said newbies = any potential customer.

[C_Gibby]

Originally Posted by Maddoxx

I did not specifically say friend. I said newbies = any potential customer.

Which can also be - or are most likely to be - friends.

[Sintaxx]

Originally Posted by C_Gibby

I wonder sometimes.

I have noobie friends who have higher-up perks, and they find hard/suicidal a genuinely hard challenge.

I'm starting to think that a lot of the outcrying of weapon OPness (the standard pumpshotgun overpowered? really?) is mostly there because the people who consider things OP are just a little too good at the game, or forget that HOE is actually supposed to be beatable.

Personally, I'm less worried about weapons that are OP, and more about ones that are underpowered or massively devalued by other weapons.

This is the best thing I've heard from anyone since the update.

[FSUBoo]

Originally Posted by C_Gibby

You can't just pigeon-hole every single person who has criticisms of the game's balance as all being people who either promote the game or don't promote the game, that's just plain retarded.

I, personally, while I have a bunch of things about KF that I dislike, I believe it's an absolutely great game and everybody should have it. If I didn't like the game, I wouldn't have been playing it since it was new, now, would I?

I think this is something that many people lose sight of in the long run. Once upon a time, Killing Floor used to be hard for us, and we found HoE nearly unbeatable, especially on certain maps. I tried and failed 6+ times to beat Hospital of Horrors for the achievement on HoE before I finally beat it. I think that we're spoiled to the friends we have and the perk bonuses that we have anymore.

Originally Posted by Maddoxx

Again: how would an OP-whiner describe KF to a newbie? As a good ambassador or with criticism? Should a newbie buy KF and why? Or not? What say?

To answer your question, when recommending KF to a newbie, I would tell them that the replay value if through the roof, the game is one of the deepest games you'll find, as no one game EVER goes actually the same as others. I would tell them that the co-op aspect of the game is what makes it truly remarkable, and that without good friends, the game loses a large chunk of enjoyment for myself.