Please allow us to reload magazines in our SVT-40 at all times

[Proud_God]

It's really getting annoying that you have to reload stripper clips in the SVT-40 if you've fired 5 or more rounds. Please allow us the option of what to reload.

For example, the weapon function key can be used to switch between stripper clip and magazine reloading.

Edit: Updated with a screenshot. You would have a stach of X Magazines and Y Stripper Clips and the weapon function key is used to give preference to either:

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[Sarkis.]

The 7 key is needing some love

[Proud_God]

Originally Posted by Sarkis.

The 7 key is needing some love

Please clarify, I've rebound all my keys

[Andrew Blake]

I am guessing they did this for balance agianst the G41, BUT screw that!
It's friggin unrealistic and I want this in!

[Nikita]

Originally Posted by Proud_God

It's really getting annoying that you have to reload stripper clips in the SVT-40 if you've fired 5 or more rounds. Please allow us the option of what to reload.

For example, the weapon function key can be used to switch between stripper clip and magazine reloading.

Originally Posted by Andrew Blake

I am guessing they did this for balance agianst the G41, BUT screw that!
It's friggin unrealistic and I want this in!

For your information, gentlemen, the Red Army only issued one to three (generally two or three) serial-matched SVT magazines to every Red Army soldier IRL, depending on supply circumstances. In practice, after the last magazine was used, every soldier reloaded the SVT-40 using stripper clips, keeping the detachable magazine inside the weapon.

The only unrealistic things about the SVT are the fact that the bolt has no catch in real life, meaning that you have to hold the bolt back at all times while inserting ammunition, and the color of the bolt itself.

[Proud_God]

Originally Posted by Nikita

For your information, gentlemen, the Red Army only issued one to three (generally two or three) serial-matched SVT magazines to every Red Army soldier IRL, depending on supply circumstances. In practice, after the last magazine was used, every soldier reloaded the SVT-40 using stripper clips, keeping the detachable magazine inside the weapon.

The only unrealistic things about the SVT are the fact that the bolt has no catch in real life, meaning that you have to hold the bolt back at all times while inserting ammunition, and the color of the bolt itself.

Are you suggesting that the current reload situation is realistic? Because it isn't. Currently, you don't have a certain amount of magazines and a certain amaount of stripper clips. Instead, in certain situations you always reload a stripper clip, and in other situations you always reaload a magazine. That's no good!

[Icey_Pain]

The suggestion forum

Feels kind of left out.

As far as the idea itself, why not? Seems like a good idea, though not exactly a high priority IMO.

[Ossius]

If I'm not mistaken in the bolt actions I think you have a certain amount of stripper clips and a certain amount of individual bullets.

At least that is what I remember the devs saying, I don't know why the SVT isn't the same.

[ross]

Originally Posted by Nikita

For your information, gentlemen, the Red Army only issued one to three (generally two or three) serial-matched SVT magazines to every Red Army soldier IRL, depending on supply circumstances. In practice, after the last magazine was used, every soldier reloaded the SVT-40 using stripper clips, keeping the detachable magazine inside the weapon.

We have a winner.

Originally Posted by Nikita

The only unrealistic things about the SVT are the fact that the bolt has no catch in real life, meaning that you have to hold the bolt back at all times while inserting ammunition, and the color of the bolt itself.

...Except the first part here. Watch any video of an SVT being fired, the bolt DOES lock back, every time without fail. The AK is the rifle with the temperamental bolt hold-open, not the SVT.

[PhoenixDragon]

Originally Posted by ross

...Except the first part here. Watch any video of an SVT being fired, the bolt DOES lock back, every time without fail.

It does when the magazine is empty, at least. Not sure if there's a way to do it when it's partially loaded.

[ross]

D'oh - didn't think about whether he meant that or not.

I live in Australia and No Fun is Allowed, so I can't check whether it holds open on a partial mag - can someone with an SVT confirm/deny this?

[Nikita]

Originally Posted by ross

D'oh - didn't think about whether he meant that or not.

I live in Australia and No Fun is Allowed, so I can't check whether it holds open on a partial mag - can someone with an SVT confirm/deny this?

My mistake--you're correct. Apparently the SVT does have a bolt catch after all that stays open even when the magazine is partially loaded, meaning that the devs have it correct. Never shot one myself, so that's my excuse.

SVT 40 - YouTube

The SKS bolt also locks in the open position, and as you mentioned, the AK does not.

[ross]

IIRC the AK is supposed to, it just... doesn't, unless it feels like it. I'd have to check though, it might be specific to the 74 rather than the 47/AKM.

[lyosha]

Why would you need the AK bolt to stay open? What are you gonna do, ram stripper clips into the receiver hoping it to feed?

[Bluehawk]

For clearing feeding errors, perhaps. It would always be more convenient if you could lock it back.

[lyosha]

Originally Posted by Bluehawk

For clearing feeding errors, perhaps. It would always be more convenient if you could lock it back.

Tovarisch such defeatist comments about the kalashnikov weapon system are frowned upon. They do not have errors.

[Andrew Blake]

Originally Posted by Nikita

For your information, gentlemen, the Red Army only issued one to three (generally two or three) serial-matched SVT magazines to every Red Army soldier IRL, depending on supply circumstances. In practice, after the last magazine was used, every soldier reloaded the SVT-40 using stripper clips, keeping the detachable magazine inside the weapon.

The only unrealistic things about the SVT are the fact that the bolt has no catch in real life, meaning that you have to hold the bolt back at all times while inserting ammunition, and the color of the bolt itself.

I've seen videos before of the SVT with partial reloading it does have a bolt catch. -I see you added a youtube video, ok anyway.

Is the fact that the ammo you get in the form of clips when you reload magically disappear from your current magazines realistic?

Isn't just retarded, that when you have two rounds left in the SVT you will partial load it instead of changing the magazine and recognising that the magazine is as good as empty therefore removed from usable magazines -The latter was how it was in Roost.

The SVT needs to be changed, as currently it's not how it was used in ww2.

[Grobut]

Originally Posted by Andrew Blake

I've seen videos before of the SVT with partial reloading it does have a bolt catch. -I see you added a youtube video, ok anyway.

No, that's not the issue.

The SVT-40 does indeed have a bolt-catch, it is opperated by the magazine follower when the mag is empty, and is responsible for locking the bolt-carrier back when the gun is emptied. The problem is that it's internal, there is no external bolt-release switch, and thus, no way to lock or release the bolt carrier at will.

To do mid-mag reloads in the fashion that Ro2's animations suggest requires an external bolt-release switch (see for instance the M-14, the bolt release is located to the left of the ejection port and is a small level you press to enage it), or a rentention groove to lock the charging handle in (see for instance the H&K G3A3, the charging handle can be rotated upwards and locked into a retention groove at the rear of the slot the handle slides in), so you can intentionally lock the boltcarrier back at will.

We can rule out any rentiontion groove, as clearly the SVT-40 has none, and the charging handle cannot be rotated, it is a permanent part of the bolt carrier. But can you point out any bolt-release button, latch or switch? Anything that you can press, rotate or slide to intentionally lock back the bolt carrier? Because logic dictates that something must be activated to engage the bolt-catch, and that the bolt carrier will not stay back unless the bolt-carrier is somehow locked (there's a big recoil-spring forcing it forward at all times).

Well can you? Can you point out anything that you'd press or otherwise opperate that will lock the bolt-carrier on a full/half-empty magazine? How do you propose this be accomplished? How do you engage the bolt-catch at will on this weapon?


The RO2 anims show you just pulling back the bolt-carrier, and for some indetermined reason, it just stays back.... why? How? What's making it do that? Why is the recoil spring not just slamming it to battery when you take your hand off of it?

If you don't lock the bolt-carrier, then nothing will keep it back, and there is no way to manually lock it that i know of, so how's this supposed to work?

Originally Posted by ross

IIRC the AK is supposed to, it just... doesn't, unless it feels like it. I'd have to check though, it might be specific to the 74 rather than the 47/AKM.

No, no version of the AK has a bolt-catch, none of them, the bolt-carrier will allways return to battery on an AK (well, maybe on some of the odd-ball highly modified versions like the RK.62, Tantal or Vepr? Not sure about those to be honest).

You sure you're not thinking of the SVD? Or maybe the PSL? Those have a bolt-catch, same system as the SVT-40 actually, and again, there is no external release switch for it, so it'll lock back on empty, but you can't lock it back on command.

[Proud_God]

In order to get this thread on-topic again: I've updated the OP with a screenshot!