Binoculars???

[Kenobi]

I'm a little confused on how to use binoculars as both Squad Leader and Commander. And, since I cannot run the tutorial missions again without starting a new campaign [boo!], I'm a little lost.

Would someone be kind enough to explain?

[Cwivey]

When you equip them, press the Aim button to look through them. Then, while looking through, press the attack button and you will place an artillery marker in the centre of your view (Hopefully where you want it, double check your map to see if it's where you want it).

[LogisticEarth]

Yeah, watch out. Whatever the marker tool is, the game treats it as some huge object, making it next to impossible to aim through things like windows with frames on them, or holes in fences.

[RedFlagWaver]

Probably to give enemy snipers a fair shot at preventing artillery strikes

[LogisticEarth]

Originally Posted by RedFlagWaver

Probably to give enemy snipers a fair shot at preventing artillery strikes

Lol, that would be ridiculous. In reality this whole "mark artillery with your binoculars" stuff is absurd anyway. In the real world, the platoon leader or whoever was making the call would just give them corodinates on the map. Only after the round started falling would they call in for adjustment. You really should be able to just point to your map and call in arty, but give it some slight variation.

[Kenobi]

Well, I've tried to place a marker before with the binos using primary attack. The arrow has been dropped on the location of my choice however, when marking it with the Mark Artillery Target, it places the location on the map somewhere completely different.

I read that Commanders have the option of discarding markers that SL mark up? Is this true? Would that account as to why sometimes the location doesn't update?

TBH: The bino system feels pretty damn silly in RO:II's maps, far too small in comparison to Ostfront.

[Wookie87]

Originally Posted by LogisticEarth

Lol, that would be ridiculous. In reality this whole "mark artillery with your binoculars" stuff is absurd anyway. In the real world, the platoon leader or whoever was making the call would just give them corodinates on the map. Only after the round started falling would they call in for adjustment. You really should be able to just point to your map and call in arty, but give it some slight variation.

Wasn't the idea behind bino marking so that people don't just leap onto the radio and literally call arty on enemy spawn 3 seconds into the match? Obviously you *can* call in arty quickly as long as LOS is available to mark the area. It certainly isn't perfect, nor realistic, but it does put a small limiter on (at least) early match abusing of arty on spawn points.

However, that is negated regardless if the map is designed poorly enough to allow LOS close/ontop of the other teams spawn at start. There needs to be atleast a short amount of time, even if its a mere 15/20 seconds to allow movement from each side.

Hence, thats how i view the role of binos in the use of arty.

[RedFlagWaver]

Maybe artillery strikes should automatically disable any nearby spawn points.

And besides, artillery should take a while to gear up; locking it up for a short while at the start of a match doesn't sound too wrong.

[Rehmes]

you can go play the singleplayer and learn from that. It's is a common thing to do similar to rtfm and look at the keybindings.

[mowskwoz]

For me, learning how to use the binocs for arty was kind of a waste of time. It's time consuming, often inaccurate, and while you've got them equipped you're pretty much a sitting duck. I just use the orders widget key. I'm not sure of the default though.

I do use the binocs to find marksmen or other targets that are hidden well, but I do so when I'm in cover.

Also, to just practice using them, you can start a bot match by opening the console with ~ and typing in:

open te-fallenfighters?minplayers=32?maxplayers=32

Changing the map name, game mode, and player counts to your preference.

[salti]

You just need too put the time in , i've called a number of arty strikes , wiping out a fair number of my own team , and if theres bots on the map you still will , but with practice it comes together , but as the man said always check your map to see where its going , so that it does'nt land 2 inche's in front of your nose

[Westernesse]

I mostly use command system to mark arty, since you can put it in spots binoculars think are invalid targets. Binoculars are good for spotting targets sometimes.

[Gudenrath]

Originally Posted by Wookie87

Wasn't the idea behind bino marking so that people don't just leap onto the radio and literally call arty on enemy spawn 3 seconds into the match? Obviously you *can* call in arty quickly as long as LOS is available to mark the area. It certainly isn't perfect, nor realistic, but it does put a small limiter on (at least) early match abusing of arty on spawn points.

However, that is negated regardless if the map is designed poorly enough to allow LOS close/ontop of the other teams spawn at start. There needs to be atleast a short amount of time, even if its a mere 15/20 seconds to allow movement from each side.

Hence, thats how i view the role of binos in the use of arty.

Indeed. In fact all the present maps (excluding Ogledow) are in reality far too small and cramped for arty to be included on them at all.

[Stick Pin]

I don't know why everyone "has" to use the binoculars. I just press and hold F4, move the arrow with my mouse, and hit the LMB and wow, I get arty set where ever I want. Press the RMB and you tell your squad to move to the arrow.

[Johnny Utah]

Why do people even use binocs? Its so difficult and worthless. Just hold the command button and right click....much more accurate and you dont even need to switch from your primary weapon. Haven't used binocs since I figured this out after a few minutes as commander...after trying it, they will be a useless feature to you as well.

Only chumps looking to get killed waste time pulling out binocs and constantly readjusting the poor marks...just use command system!

[Cwivey]

Originally Posted by Johnny Utah

Only chumps looking to get killed waste time pulling out binocs and constantly readjusting the poor marks...just use command system!

Ahem, the binoculars are the greatest melee weapon in the game I'll have you know.

They can be usefull for marking further away targets, and I use them anyways just because it looks so cool.

[Johnny Utah]

Originally Posted by Cwivey

Ahem, the binoculars are the greatest melee weapon in the game I'll have you know.

Fact.

But, there does not exist a more satisfying kill in this game than painting a wall with some poor dope's brains because he's staring through the Viewmaster for 20seconds.

[PeteAtomic]

Originally Posted by Johnny Utah

Why do people even use binocs? Its so difficult and worthless. Just hold the command button and right click....much more accurate and you dont even need to switch from your primary weapon. Haven't used binocs since I figured this out after a few minutes as commander...after trying it, they will be a useless feature to you as well.

Only chumps looking to get killed waste time pulling out binocs and constantly readjusting the poor marks...just use command system!

Thanks for the tip. Never knew you could that.

[RJ_MacReady]

Originally Posted by Wookie87

Wasn't the idea behind bino marking (...)

The whole idea of calling artillery (and even rocket artillery known for total inaccuracy!!!) in 1942, that arrives on the very exact spot (with minimum spread) several seconds later and within a very close vicinity of arty spotter and friendly troops is ridiculous. I don't know whose decision was to include this in the game, but he surely lives in a parallel dimension with alternate history.

[Cwivey]

Originally Posted by RJ_MacReady

The whole idea of calling artillery (and even rocket artillery known for total inaccuracy!!!) in 1942, that arrives on the very exact spot (with minimum spread) several seconds later and within a very close vicinity of arty spotter and friendly troops is ridiculous. I don't know whose decision was to include this in the game, but he surely lives in a parallel dimension with alternate history.

It's a game, not a world war 2 simulator.