To settle the M38 Carbine discussion once and for all

[theta123]

The suggestion for the Mosin nagant M1938 carbine has been made several times and many times did people "Claimed" that the M1938 was made in low numbers and rare.
So that it doesnt deserve a place in RO2
yet the same people suggest MG42...


Now apart from that, Here are the production numbers of the M1938 mosin nagant carbine=

1939=34 508
1940=162 162
1941=419 065
1942=687 426
1943=978 297
1944=167 000

So 2.3 million rifles produced.....Rare? very uncommon? i think not
If we look at the numbers produced alone in 1940 1941 and 1942...all the years of the stalingrad battle... And then with the arsenal of Izhevsk not all to far away from the front..This carbine has a huge place in Ro2.

Source= For collectors only "The mosin nagant rifle" by terence W.Lapin. 4Th edition, North cape publications. I think militaria collectors like me know that these books are very reliable and accurate in history

[Nikita]

Originally Posted by theta123

The suggestion for the Mosin nagant M1938 carbine has been made several times and many times did people "Claimed" that the M1938 was made in low numbers and rare.
So that it doesnt deserve a place in RO2
yet the same people suggest MG42...


Now apart from that, Here are the production numbers of the M1938 mosin nagant carbine=

1939=34 508
1940=162 162
1941=419 065
1942=687 426
1943=978 297
1944=167 000

So 2.3 million rifles produced.....Rare? very uncommon? i think not
If we look at the numbers produced alone in 1940 1941 and 1942...all the years of the stalingrad battle... And then with the arsenal of Izhevsk not all to far away from the front..This carbine has a huge place in Ro2.

Source= For collectors only "The mosin nagant rifle" by terence W.Lapin. 4Th edition, North cape publications. I think militaria collectors like me know that these books are very reliable and accurate in history

To supplement this excellent post:



From the first page of the Wikipedia page on Stalingrad. The Wikipedia page. There's really not much of an excuse for doubting...

[Avtomat]

And the same people who hate the idea of the M38 love the MKB...

fail

[Offensive name]

Originally Posted by Avtomat

And the same people who hate the idea of the M38 love the MKB...

fail

No, in my case it's the opposite.

Why not make the m38 a level 50 unlock for the mosin?

[Andrew Blake]

Originally Posted by Offensive name

No, in my case it's the opposite.

Why not make the m38 a level 50 unlock for the mosin?

Rather make it a lvl 4 class rifleman unlock, intead of the k98k.

And on topic I want this in the game too Excellent post

[theta123]

All fine by me


Another widely made claim for the M44 carbine=Only few where made in WW2. Only 50 000.


WRONG

50 000 Trail rifles where made in 1943 and sended to the front. Frontline troops where very impressed and fond of the weapon and production of the new carbine started in january 1944.

In 1944 alone= 3.54 Million M44 carbines where made
1945= 3.2 million

Production of the M1938 continued on the old M1938 lines, because bayonet production could only held up with the new M44 Carbines. The M38 and M44 are mostly the same, minus the side folding bayonet on the M44.

[Andrew Blake]

So they sent a few m44 prototypes in 43. Hmm interesting, well on the matter of adding the m44. I have no problem with that. I am just thinking that TWI may want to focus on the battle of stalingard. Atleast for now, if not they add new battles from after the battle of stalingard, I doubt they have a reason not to add it.

[Colt .45 killer]

the most debatable evidence as cited by the disliked mike on this forum states that 2 - 5 mkb's could have been around stalingrad.

From that the game extrapolates 3 to each team ( was about 15 on release ).

By all means, give the entire russian team the chance to pick the m38.

I would like to have the m38 as a backup as MG instead of a pistol. even if it meant only getting 20 bullets for it.

[theta123]

These rifles where issued to MG crews, even to DP crews. They where issued so that they could use ammo of there own DP's and surrounding infantry for there M1938's.

[Cwivey]

Engineers engineers engineers.
The one class it'd be fabulous to have an option to chose for, as well as been quite fitting.

[Lone Rebel]

Good post mate! Totally agree, add this rifle, it can't do any harm

[Esh325]

I don't really recall the M38 carbine having much functional difference from the M91/30 in Ostfront. The easier handling characteristics it has in real life are not easy to portray in a video game, hence it just becomes nothing but a skin.

[Cwivey]

Originally Posted by Esh325

I don't really recall the M38 carbine having much functional difference from the M91/30 in Ostfront. The easier handling characteristics it has in real life are not easy to portray in a video game, hence it just becomes nothing but a skin.

I beleive it was ever so slightly more inaccurate than the M91/30. And with it being shorter, made people hanging near corners a little less harder to notice. I think that's about it.

[Andrew Blake]

Originally Posted by Esh325

I don't really recall the M38 carbine having much functional difference from the M91/30 in Ostfront. The easier handling characteristics it has in real life are not easy to portray in a video game, hence it just becomes nothing but a skin.

The M38 in roost comparded to the MN91/30

Less accurate.
Faster bolting from hip.
Shorter model lenght.
Faster aiming down sights.
BAAAMMM recoil from hell.

That's it really, I liked the M44 most times over the MN91/30 on danzig. Cute gun

[HellsJanitor]

Originally Posted by theta123

These rifles where issued to MG crews, even to DP crews. They where issued so that they could use ammo of there own DP's and surrounding infantry for there M1938's.

I'm going to go on a whim and say that is false.
Not very often can you put MG ammunition in a rifle and get good results. MG ammo is often hotter to cycle the actions faster. Rifle ammunition would probably not work well with the DP28.
The specs between them are not the same. You wouldn't use M2 .50 cal ammunition in a Barret m82 Anti material rifle.

[ro_sauce]

its ok to do with 7.62x54r.
i run cheap surplus ammo through my 9130's and svt's all the time, no problems (just have to adjust the gas port on svt because of the crappy quality of it all)
i dont think there was a variant of 7.62R for mg's.

[HellsJanitor]

Originally Posted by ro_sauce

its ok to do with 7.62x54r.
i run cheap surplus ammo through my 9130's and svt's all the time, no problems (just have to adjust the gas port on svt because of the crappy quality of it all)
i dont think there was a variant of 7.62R for mg's.

For MGs I'm just assuming there is. It would surprise me if there wasn't.
I do know there is 7.62x25 for the PPSH that cannot be run in the TT33 and vice versa, so there was a deviation in ammunition with the Soviets.

Most of the surplus ammo in the 'spam cans' is rifle ammo though for the 91/30.

[PhoenixDragon]

Originally Posted by HellsJanitor

Not very often can you put MG ammunition in a rifle and get good results. MG ammo is often hotter to cycle the actions faster. Rifle ammunition would probably not work well with the DP28.
The specs between them are not the same. You wouldn't use M2 .50 cal ammunition in a Barret m82 Anti material rifle.

Where do you get this from? Usually you can do it just fine. Ammo intended for use in high-accuracy weapons (Such as the M82) tend to be of higher quality (And therefor expense), but you can fire either type through either weapon. That's the entire point of standardizing rifle and MG calibers.

[Unterscharfuhrer]

Originally Posted by theta123

The suggestion for the Mosin nagant M1938 carbine has been made several times and many times did people "Claimed" that the M1938 was made in low numbers and rare.
So that it doesnt deserve a place in RO2
yet the same people suggest MG42...


Now apart from that, Here are the production numbers of the M1938 mosin nagant carbine=

1939=34 508
1940=162 162
1941=419 065
1942=687 426
1943=978 297
1944=167 000

That maybe true and I would love the gun I game because I prefer carabines but to all this mkb haters (and I never use the mkb) I could say that the 8000 Mkbs were handed out to elite units on the eastern front the german 6th army totaly was a elite unit!

[Rrralphster]

Originally Posted by Unterscharfuhrer

That maybe true and I would love the gun I game because I prefer carabines but to all this mkb haters (and I never use the mkb) I could say that the 8000 Mkbs were handed out to elite units on the eastern front the german 6th army totaly was a elite unit!

One of those elite units had nothing than Pz 38(t). You would think that if they were actually considered elite, and if elite units got the best gear, they would have had nothing but the "long" versions of the PzIII and PzIV...