Red Orchestra 2: Ostfront '41 - '45

[Jorg Biermann]

Red Orchestra 2: Ostfront '41 - '45 is mod to make Red Orchestra 2's gameplay more like Red Orchestra Ostfront. Ostfront's gameplay was a lot more slow than Red Orchestra 2's. It is going to be quite hard and will take some time to get this mod going but I am willing to spend a lot of my time to make Red Orchestra 2 the way that I and others wanted it. I'm also hoping to add more Realistic features that are not in Ostfront or Heroes of Stalingrad but that will come in the far future.

I am currently learning how to modify UnrealScript and I also know how to use the SDK. The current plans are mainly modifying gameplay variables of Red Orchestra 2. Hopefully this mod could move on to bigger things.

Current Ideas:
- Historically Accurate Maps
- Historical Symbols (Soviet Red Star, Hammer and Sickle, Balkenkreuz and Swastika)
- Attach/Detach Bayonets
- Bailing Out of Tanks
- More Weapon Sway
- More Sway for colder maps
- Realistic Gun/Squad Loadouts
- Better Suppresion (More like Darkest Hours)
- Longer Reloading Times
- Longer Aim Down Sight time
- Reduced Accuracy
- Replace Zoom with held breath to reduce sway for a short period of time

Things to Keep
- First Person Cover System
- Bandaging (Will be heavily modified)
- Wall Mantling
- Adjustable Sights

Things to Scrap
- Ranking system
- Unrealistic Guns and Attachments
- Spawning on Squad Leader
- Zoom
- English Voice Commands

Future Plans
- Add Gun Stoppages
- Realistic Injuries
- Uniforms will vary (Because Rank system is gone)
- Medic Class (Maybe)

I have some friends in the community who know a lot about the German Military in WW2 esspecially the Eastern Front so they will be the main source of Historical knowledge and accuracy. Would be good to get some more Historians who know more about the Russians. I also have friends who can set up forums which could be very useful if we get this off the ground.

I mainly got this idea from these Two threads;
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.co...ad.php?t=65054
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.co...ad.php?t=64601

[luciferintears]

You have my support. I'm a programmer though im not sure if i'll have time to help out; maybe a little.

Also i wasnt aware that the Waffen SS or fallschrimjager were in stalingrad; or were you referring to the eastern front as a whole?

But still what purpose would the SS serve? Execute civilians lol?

[Jorg Biermann]

Originally Posted by luciferintears

Also i wasnt aware that the Waffen SS or fallschrimjager were in stalingrad; or were you referring to the eastern front as a whole?

But still what purpose would the SS serve? Execute civilians lol?

I meant Ostfront as a whole. Many Waffen SS fought in the Ostfront such as in places like Kursk, Demjansk, Budapest and many other battles. Waffen SS were frontline soldiers. There's no civilians in the game

[luciferintears]

Originally Posted by Jorg Biermann

I meant Ostfront as a whole. Many Waffen SS fought in the Ostfront such as in places like Kursk, Demjansk, Budapest and many other battles. Waffen SS were frontline soldiers. There's no civilians in the game

lol

but i mean how were you thinking of implementing them? Having a class called waffen ss or having an engagment between the waffen ss vs (insert russian unit name here)?

Also, was the equipment for the waffen ss and the fallschrimjager different than the Wehrmacht? If so, do you intend of reflecting that in the game

[Jorg Biermann]

Originally Posted by luciferintears

lol

but i mean how were you thinking of implementing them? Having a class called waffen ss or having an engagment between the waffen ss vs (insert russian unit name here)?

Also, was the equipment for the waffen ss and the fallschrimjager different than the Wehrmacht? If so, do you intend of reflecting that in the game

Well I'm not sure how it works but in RO1 the mapper could chose what classes and skins are added into the map. Such as in RO2 a mapper will be able to chose whether its Winter Skins or Summer.

Basically the same concept as that but with new Uniforms that will need to be made. Of couse I only want the Waffen SS and Fallshirmjager in Historical maps that they actually fought in. For example you will never see Fallshirmjager or Waffen SS in a Stalingrad map but you will in other parts of the Ostfront or Germany.

And Equipment wise the Waffen SS and Wermacht were not that different. It matters more on the place. Fallshirmjager however had the best equipment of the lot. Tonnes of MP40s and MGs, The Fallshirmjager were deadly.

[TodSky]

I believe in the MOD the differences between normal Heer formations and those of the SS or FJ would be mainly cosmetic (uniforms, insignia ect.).

Hoffmann

[Hobitt]

And are you planning to keep the visual aspect of ranking i mean when you are experienced soldier you will look more veteran?

[ViViD]

Its funny I made a post about the exact same thing 3 weeks ago and people laughed at me.
But willing to help you.

[Hobitt]

Another therad with some ideas
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.co...ad.php?t=65470

[2Lt.Horvath [6th AB]]

A fantastic idea, I feel a hell of a lot of people will support this mod idea. A lot of people are calling for changes including myself and there's a lot of realism clans out there that I feel will support you. I wish you the best of luck in getting this project off the ground!

[katzcinsky]

it might be worthwhile to wait and see what the developers do with RO2 after patches/additional content before embarking on this mod. i wouldn't feel comfortable approaching ro2 in it's current state because i anticipate alot will change.

also, not to troll or anything. but if i wanted to play ostfront, i'd play ostfront.

[Anjelous]

Ostfront is a great game, obviously or we wouldn't be here, but it's old now. Yes you can still go back and play it and there are still servers, but honestly the engine itself is limited. Flawed though RO2 may be the engine is still a work in progress and will, I don't doubt, become better than RO1, especially for realism and reenactment units.

So even though I know absolutely nothing about modding, this idea gets total thumbs up from me. A project like this would be to RO2 what Darkest Hour became for RO1

[Jorg Biermann]

Originally Posted by katzcinsky

it might be worthwhile to wait and see what the developers do with RO2 after patches/additional content before embarking on this mod. i wouldn't feel comfortable approaching ro2 in it's current state because i anticipate alot will change.

Of course there's no way in hell i'm touching RO2 until it is fully fixed.

Originally Posted by katzcinsky

also, not to troll or anything. but if i wanted to play ostfront, i'd play ostfront.

Well Ostfront is inferier now. It's too old. Modding RO2 could make the game great.

[Six_Ten]

I was just coming to this forum to post this suggestion. Glad you made it.

I suggest instead of making any maps, we focus on just the coding aspect, getting the game to play like RO. Get rid of the arcadey junk, get it to require the kind of teamwork we all came to love. Porting maps over from Ostfront is relatively simple, and frankly I don't care where it's set, Stalingrad or Leningrad or Berlin are the same to me if the game is fun.

Code the game to play like RO, you already hit some of the high points in your initial post, although I'd keep mantling and dump cover. Get the weapons and vehicles to function like in Ostfront, get the avatars to work the same way, and we will be well on the way.

Skip mapmaking (Drecks knows what he's talking about) and get the gameplay down first.

I'll help code.

Ideally we will wind up with RO2's graphics and physics, and Ostfront's gameplay.

[luciferintears]

Oh i have something else to add:

Getting rid of the Giant Red Exclamation marks from spotting enemies. It should only be present on the actual map, if even that.

I honestly dont like the spotting feature; it feels like the commander is uploading information directly to my brain lol

[Six_Ten]

So far the only thing I'd keep from RO2 is mantling. Everything else can go.

[Jorg Biermann]

Originally Posted by Six_Ten

So far the only thing I'd keep from RO2 is mantling. Everything else can go.

The cover system is pretty good too. It's not like you HAVE to use it. Most of the time I don't. Only time I've really used it is when I was at a wall that was too high to crouch and too low to stand.

[LordKhaine]

Originally Posted by Six_Ten

So far the only thing I'd keep from RO2 is mantling. Everything else can go.

That seems a very silly thing to say. Make no mistake, RO2 improves a lot of things.

Bullet penetration instantly springs to mind. A feature sorely lacking in RO1. Then we have the more realistic recoil in RO2. Now it's actually worth aiming with the Smg's while standing up, what a novel idea? And the damage system for both tanks and people are greatly improved (though the bandaging system needs a bit of tweaking if you ask me..).

Seems to me this mod is more about tweaking and removing the undesirable new things from RO2 than it is about implementing RO1 in a new engine. And that is perfectly doable. In fact almost all of it is related to the ranking system or the maps.

That simply leaves the more complicated bits and pieces such as bayonet attaching and whatnot. Which would clearly require a mod (and much animation as well).

[JoshuaC]

While extremely rare, I always loved the possibility of a weapon jam in America's Army 2.

[worluk]

Originally Posted by luciferintears

Oh i have something else to add:

Getting rid of the Giant Red Exclamation marks from spotting enemies. It should only be present on the actual map, if even that.

I honestly dont like the spotting feature; it feels like the commander is uploading information directly to my brain lol

that is a server option. Find a server that has it disabled.