New Weapons Discussion (Merged)

[<RA>red_alert]

Greetings,

I came here to ask if FG42 and FG42 scooped will be implemented in RO:O. If yes how many of them will be implemented for most maps? thats all ty.

[daschewy]

the FG42 wasnt that common of a weapon and there werent that many FJ that fought in Russia so I highly doubt itll be put in

[Sichartshofen]

Don't count on it.

Fallschirmjäger were not deployed on the Eastern front in massive numbers like the Heer and Waffen SS. The FG42 was officially introduced into service in 1943, but only for the Luftwaffe. Since the Heer was looking for a weapon using the Kurzpatrone (StG44). The only definitive production number of the FG42 is 4,397 in 1944. It may have seen action in the east but not in any significant numbers. It would have been more common with FJ units in Normandy.

[<RA>red_alert]

indeed, thank you for the information i would just love to have a semi automatic scooped FG42 :P

[Sichartshofen]

You've got a scoped SVT40 to look forward to.

[FYROM]

Plus, its likely there'll be a scoped semi-automatic G-43 to balance it, since they were equipped with scopes at roughly the same ratio as the SVT-40 (1 in 10).

[<RA>red_alert]

Well in my clan im a rifleman, so i like bolt action mechanisms. Ofourse automatic rifles are good also but seeing a g43 with a scope will make it ugly

[TheBeagle]

Originally Posted by Krüger

Don't count on it.

Fallschirmjäger were not deployed on the Eastern front in massive numbers like the Heer and Waffen SS.

While that's most certainly true, and I don't know how many FJs were sent to the East altogether, there were at least several regiments. According to Fallschirmjäger 1936-1945 "3000 fallschirmjaeger were killed, wounded or listed as missing in that first winter in Russia". And that's only in '41.

They also took part in several battles where they held off a much numerically superior Russian force. I think it's only right to add some FJ maps. This is one of the "must haves" for me, if only for the sheer coolness.

I have never seen a pic showing the FG-42 in use in the East though. All of the pics that show them seem to be in Italy or Normandy. Maybe they can add only one for the Gruppenfuehrer when they add FJs.

[shadowmoses]

Post some weapons that you would like to see be added to the weapon list.
Please put the name and why you think it should be added. Remember that they need to be true to this time on the eastern front (from 41-45)

If you dont think any weapons should be added then PLEASE DONT POST "I DONT THINK ANY SHOULD BE ADDED"

[Deathsai]

More anti-personnel grenades. Anti-tank grenades. Magnetic charges. Molotov cocktails.

[Rex]

those german stick grenades that attach the explosive charges of several grenades to a single stick to be used as an anti-tank weapon

maxim machine gun

nagant revolver

workable 88's (often used in an anti-personnel role) and other small semi-stationary anti-personnel cannons.

[Hyperion2010]

mp41
mauser pistol maybe
mp38 maybe
m44

what I want more though is random weapon models with different sight pictures and different textures an nicks (sorta like the difference between the sniper rifles and the regular versions ATM). I think that it would add a lot of depth and immersion to the game.

[1 3 3]

Originally Posted by Hyperion2010

mp41
mauser pistol maybe
mp38 maybe
m44

agreed

[shadowmoses]

Originally Posted by Hyperion2010

mp41
mauser pistol maybe
mp38 maybe
m44

what I want more though is random weapon models with different sight pictures and different textures an nicks (sorta like the difference between the sniper rifles and the regular versions ATM). I think that it would add a lot of depth and immersion to the game.

The m44 would be cool...id like a carbine that has a bayo...there'd need to be new animation for the attchment so idk how likely it is that that will be added.
the mauser c96 however, wasnt that great of a pistol.
it was better looking than it was at shooting...accuracy and practicality were an issues that came up alot in its use and for that reason it wasnt too much of a hit with soldiers...still be kinda cool tho.
the MP41 would also be kinda nice to have.

Originally Posted by Zbojnik

[FONT=Times New Roman]Let's see. MP-41, C-96, Gewehr 41(both Mauser and Walther versions. They could put these in Basovka.), MP-35, MP-18, MG-08,MG-30, the Schießbecher for the Mauser Karabiner 98k, Flammenwerfer 35, Geballte Ladung, RPzB 43, 54 and 54/1.The Stiehlhandgranate 24 and Stiehlhandgranate 43(with fragmentation sleeves if one chooses).Eihandgranate 39, Nebelhandgranate 39 1939 and 1943 versions, [FONT=Arial Narrow][FONT=Times New Roman]Hafthohlladung 3 and 3.5kg magnetic mines, [/FONT][/FONT]Panzerwurfmine,
[FONT=Times New Roman]Panzerhandgranaten 41.[/FONT]
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]For the Russians I want to see the SVT-38, AVS-36, M1895 Nagant Revolver,M44 Carbine, M1910 Maxim, SG-43 Gorunov, RG-41/42, RGD-33, and the PTRS. [/FONT]

Damn i like this guy, he knows his weapons.
you collect any of these firearms by any chance?

[boviboy]

All of the weapons listed below were used on this front and the majority of these would give the infantry the edge on tanks. As well as some new toys to play with.

Flame Throwers both personal man packs and tank bourne ones

Personal Flame throwers Flammenwerfer 35 for early war maps 40,41 for later on

Dug in AT guns to protect spawns from spawn camping maybe manned by super bots (well WWII online may get pissed, but wee need to do something about ppl driving up to the spawn especially in Ogledow and sitting 100m away blowing up tanks as you wait to get in them.

FallschrimJagergewehr 42 ( I know this was used by paras, but the Paras were also used as frontline troops late war, not only for being thrown out of aircraft or swooping in in gliders)

7.92 mm Machinengewehr 08 (early maps this is the machine gun the SS could lay their hands in the early days)

Mauser C96 with stock (SS used these alot in the early days)

9 mm MP 35l (used by SS and assault troops) Early war maps


2 cm Panzerabwehrbusche 785

Nebelwerfer (take your pick on which one)

Schwerer Wurfrahmen 40 the big *** rockets attached the sdkfz 250 and 251

Panzerwurfmin(l)

Tellerermine 42/43

Haft-Holladung 3 kg (magnetic antitank mine)

Goliath (remote control bomb)

3.7 FlugabwehrKanone 36 & 37 with the Stielgranate 41 for AT work

8.8 Raketenpanzerbusche 43, 54, 54/1 the german copy and subsequent inmprovement of the US Bazooka.

X7 Rotkapchen ( wire guided antitank missile, troop trialed on the the eastern front in Jan 1945), give the IS 2 a bit of a headache

2.7 cm Leuctpistole and 42 (fires flares and Wurfkoper 361 grenade)

2.7 Kampfpistole (He and flares again)

2.7 Sturmpistole

Roharladung Stahl 3 kg (pole charges for poking in to pill boxes and blowing them up) i.e Bangalore Torpedoes

Blendkorper 1h (smoke canisters for smaking smoke screens for assult engineers)

Nebelkerze 39 (for making smoke screens for assulting rooms etc)

Panzerhandmine 3 ( an assault mine that doubled as a AT weapon Hollow charge and had sharp spiked feet for penetrating anti mine coatings)

Abstandsladung H15 (hollow charge weapon used for attaacking armour plate and concrete defences) Most famous for the the atacks on the Maginot line and Fort Eben Emael, but would have been used on all fronts, would be good for a Sebvastopol (sorry can't spell it) Map if one is done.

Thats it for the german side take your pick

[Zbojnik]

Originally Posted by boviboy

All of the weapons listed below were used on this front and the majority of these would give the infantry the edge on tanks. As well as some new toys to play with.

Flame Throwers both personal man packs and tank bourne ones

Dug in AT guns to protect spawns from spawn camping maybe manned by super bots

FallschrimJagergewehr 42

Mauser C96 with stock

2 cm PAnzerabwehrbusche 785

Nebelwerfer

Schwerer Wurfrahmen 40 the big *** rockets attached the sdkfz 250 and 251

Panzerwurfmin(l)

Tellerermine 42/43

Haft-Holladung 3 kg (magnetic antitank mine)

Goliath (remote control bomb)

3.7 FlugabwehrKanone 36 & 37 with the Stielgranate 41 for AT work

Thats it for the german side take your pick

Dude, the FG-42 was given to Fallschirmjägers not infantry divisions. RO doesn't feature any Fallschirmjäger maps.

[Kumagoro]

THe more weapons, the more variety in game, as long as it doesn't ruin the balance i can even have all the WWII and pre war guns :P

I don't know how often (if ever) Fallschirmjagers were used on eastern front, but implementing them would be cool.
Imagine this, commander gets the coords, gets the radio and you get to choose to spawn (once) as a paratrooper with a FG42

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Russain Dshk or however you spell it!

[GonzoX]

FG42 was not used on eastern front AFAIK and was extremely rare even on the western front where it DID serve. It really does not belong in ROOST.

ROOST is all abour realism, and placing the uber-rare FG42 into the game would steer it's development into the direction of fantasy rather than historicaly correctness. That is not a road that ROOST should be travelling down IMHO.

And there are plenty of weapons that WERE very proliferant on the EF that could be added that make much more sense yet are still not in the game.

Why waste development on something that really should not be there?
Short answer: You shouldnt.

[Reddog]

Well personally I think Tractor Works has shown that AT guns can be done well, let's see the Ruskie 76.2mm AT gun and the various German PAK guns.

Emplaced Maxim's would be nice too, like imagine a stalingrad map where the intial Russian defense point has a well emplaced maxim and the Germans have to take it on using smoke and a bit of flanking.

Also a full complement of SPG's would be nice, especially for the Ruskies as right now they only have the SU-76 which was relegated mainly to infantry support after better SPG's became available. In fact having an SU-76 putting about in an armoured confrontation in mid-late maps like Ogeldow instead of an SU-85 or SU-122 is just ridiculous.