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The Continuation War

When folks think of the Eastern Front, it is not often remembered that there was a nasty little war fought between the Soviet Union and Finland. After the ascension to power of the Communist Party, the Soviet Union invaded Finland and was completely thumped and embarassed in front the entire world, with the Finns capturing massive amounts of Soviet equipment. In 1939, the Soviets invaded again, hence title The Continuation War. At first the Soviets did encounter incredibly stiff resistance from the Finns, but eventually sheer numbers carried that day for the Soviets. Then in the early 1940's Finnish / Soviet confrontation reignited.
This series of maps (for the lack of a better term) would feature most 1930's / 1940's Soviet small arms. The Finnish would be using a mixture of WWI era Russian weaponry, captured WW2 era Soviet weaponry, Swedish/German small arms, and heavily modified/improved versions of Russian small arms done by Finnis arms companies.
Maps could include combat in deep forests and lots of opportunity for winter combat. Also Ski Troops could be introduced for both sides. ( Heck Ski Troops could be used for traditional German/Soviet maps as well.) Imagine surprise toe-to-toe gunfights/brawls with SMGs, etc in heavy vegetation in the dead of winter. Pretty intense stuff!

It's certainly something to think about! Tell me what you think!
 
Finland would be nice :)

Some weapons they used:

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Lotta-rifle, made from Russian WW1 Mosin Nagant :) (Red orchestras Mosin Nagant with one or two changes)

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M28-30 Modified Mosin Nagant (extreamly accurate)

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M39 Whole new Mosin Nagant modification made in finland (heavy but accurate and reliable)

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SVT-40, captured and used by finns also model SVT-38 was widely used

Sniper rifle would be same with USSR, Finns had hardly any sniper rifles, just those they captured from USSR

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Suomi SMG (heavy but accurate and reliable)

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Lahti-Saloranta LMG, accurate but unreliable.

Other LMG that was used by finns was DP-LMG, tons of these weapons were captured in winter and continuat
 
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Continues...

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Molotovs cocktail

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Sachelcharge
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Lahti anti-tank rifle

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Panzerfaust Used in 1944

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Panzerschreck used in 1944

In Winter war 1939-1940 Finns had hardly no tanks, but in Continuation war Finns used captured T-34s (and other Russian tanks, like t-28 and t-26) Also STUGs were used by Finns :) So all tanks that are needed already exist in the game, just new skins, thats all :) Well In winterwar USSR needs T-26, t-28 and maybe

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T-28

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T-26

Finland also fight against Germany in 1944-1945

Maps could be like Battle of Suomussalmi 6000 finns agains 25000 Russians (with lots of tanks, finns had none...) 900 finns and 17500 russians were killed

Winter war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_war
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Continuation war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_war

War of Lapland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_War
 
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Just on more post I promise!

Ussr had partly different uniforms in Winter war, they had different hats and helmets, and hardly no snow-suits

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Soldiers marching

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Soviet helmet

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Winter hat


Then some Finnish Soldiers...

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Snow-suit

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Finns didnt have their own helmets, most of the helmets they used were German, from WW1 and WW2 :D

I
 
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I am ALL for the Finns in this game. I used to own a Sako made M39 rifle untill it was stolen:mad: and man it was accurate. I had mounted Draganov scope to it, and had it completely blue printed and banlanced from a skilled gunsmith. I used it for a hunting rifle and it had 6 bucks under its belt. Man i miss that weapon! BTW does anyone know a good online archive of Winter War photos?
 
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After the initial successes of the Winter War the Red Army became bogged down on all fronts. By mid-December, two weeks after crossing the border, the invaders' advance had been halted at the defensive lines of Taipale, Summa, Kollaa and other places. The Soviet doctrine of the massed infantry charge by the proletarian army led to frightening losses among the attackers when the brave but badly led soldiers surged again and again against the Finnish defenses.

The Finns had few anti-tank weapons and thus Russian tanks could often penetrate through. But the accompanying infantry was usually cut down by hails of bullets from the defenders' automatic weapons. Soviet doctrine called for tanks to support infantry and when the infantry were unable to proceed, the tanks would eventually return back to the Russian lines.

Perhaps because the doctrine could not immediately be changed the Red Army manufactured crudely-made armored shields in an effort to enable their infantry to close to charging distance without suffering as many losses. These one and two-man shields soon showed up on all fronts where the Finns had fixed defenses.

The one-man shield consisted of a white-painted, bent steel plate with three corners so that it would offer some protection for the soldier from oblique shots as well. The shield rested on skis which enabled the prone soldier to push his protective device along. Because the shield is on skis its weight is not directly added to the soldier's encumbrance. As long as the surface on which the shield is being moved is snow or ice, its effect is only one third of its weight. However when the surface is sand, concrete or other non-slippery surface its full weight is added to his encumbrance.

The soldier lay prone behind the shield which protected only his head, shoulders and part of his upper body. When he was advancing straight towards the enemy his legs could not be hit but as he advanced further he often became more and more exposed.

He could peer and aim his rifle through a round, ten-centimeter hole slightly offset to the right from the centerline. Fire from behind a shield is considered Braced (+1 ALM). The hole is Size ALM -7. Fifty percent of rounds hitting the hole will strike the soldier's rifle, if it is in position, and possibly continue on to strike the soldier in the head, right arm, right shoulder or upper body. The rest of rounds hitting the hole will automatically strike the soldier. Rounds not hitting the hole but whose EAL still enables them to hit Size ALM +2 targets will hit the soldier if they penetrate the shield. Rounds not hitting Size ALM +2 targets but whose EAL is enough to hit Size ALM +8 targets will hit the shield but not the soldier.

As intended the five-millimeter steel plate protected the soldier from both rifle and machine gun fire. However the Finns soon begun issuing armor-piercing bullets to soldiers for use against shields and these would still punch through the armor. When available, anti-tank rifles such as the Boys were also used to counter this new threat.
For players using the Integrated Morale Rules, soldiers behind shields are immune to Morale effects caused by non-penetrating rounds striking the shield or by bullets fired from within the front Arc and landing within what is normally Critical Distance. However they suffer normal Morale effects due to rounds which would certainly penetrate the shield if they struck, such as anti-tank gun rounds, and due to rounds fired from outside the protective arc.
The shields often enabled the soldiers to close near enough to charge. However psychologically it was difficult to leave the relative safety of the shield so players may wish to require soldiers wishing to do so to roll under KVx4 or suffer a reduction in their Morale state.

Despite their Medieval appearance and sometimes rather questionable combat value, the armored shields were yet another tool in the Red Army's repertoire with which they set out to reduce the Mannerheim line and other static positions of the defenders. With the introduction of bigger and better tanks, larger caliber guns, armored sleighs and - most importantly - ever-increasing numbers of troops, the pressure would mount and eventually crush many of those positions. However major changes in doctrine, practices and leadership would be needed before any real gains could be made in the war.

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I also heard that the Russians used Body armor, but I havent gotten this confirmed??
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Go here to read alittle of the weopens used by both sides: http://www.saunalahti.fi/~ejuhola/7.62/weapons.html
 
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Ukko-Pekka said:
I believe this site will do :)

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/index.html

It has war-time photos, maps, postcards, weapons, vechiles, propaganda, persons and flags From all of the Wars Independent Finland has had :) And Its also in english :D

WOW! That's alot of good pictures! Everyone should check 'em out :eek::cool:







Ahhh! poor Soviets!

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial]Same time when Finnish soldier sleep in their large and well warmed digouts or
tents, Soviet soldiers have to sleep under the open sky. There where was
unburnt house, Officers sleep on those and regular men outside of house under
the open sky. Making camp fire was suicide if Finnish patrols were moving in
area. Many times soldiers have to do decision: do they want to die by cold or do
they want to take risk and make camp fire?. Soviet photo.




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[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial]Finnish dugout in somewhere on Front during artillery attack February 1940.[/FONT]
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