Flamethrowers

[Mormegil]

Maybe Molotovs need their own thread.


I was just watching something on Discovery HD on the Battle of Kursk (Stalingrad was earlier), and they went over the use of Molotovs by the Soviets. They had a powder attached to the outside of the bottle that ignites when in contact with sulfuric acid. The bottle itself was filled with gasoline, sulphuric acid (to ignite) and rubber (for thickening I would guess). This allowed the cocktail to be thrown without having to light it. At least that's how it was by 1943 summer in Kursk (according to the documentary).

 

[Bobdog]

Flamethrowers would be cool, but only if they act like flamethrowers do IRL. Too many games have flamethrowers that work like a giant blowtorch (like in TF2, although they obviously aren't trying to be realistic), rather than modeling the sticky burning fluid flamethrowers expel. I understand TWI can't make a 100% realistic flamethrower, since simulating the spread of a fire would be a massive strain on the servers' and clients' computers, but modeling the burning fuel itself correctly is a must.

 

[Apos]

Flamethrower in RL doesn't have so much "ammo" like in games or films. Personnel fuel tank allow to use flamethrower for 10 seconds only.

German version Flammenwerfer 35 weight 45 kilos amd it was single use on battlefield. I think it might be kinda boring weapon or suicide weapon in RO:HOS if it stays close to real.

I vote for No.

But, molotovs? Why not

 

[Mr Milkman]

molotovs would rock my boat. I can't wait to see guys running around on fire screaming! haha I also think Flamethrowers would rock too. Maybe engineers (or whom ever was qualified to use the flamethrower) could choose to pick it up in spawn when needed? Have it as a throw away weapon kind of like panzer fausts?

 

[VariousNames]

Oh God, yes!

BTW, ask if you can borrow Guerilla Games Killzone 2 flamethrower tech (be prepared for awesome):

YouTube - Killzone 2 - Helghast VC1 Flamethrower - HD 720p

 

[Brendan]

German combat engineers made up flamethrower teams, but there may have been only two engineers assigned to a full infantry company during an assault.

VariousNames, flame throwers in reality are much different from Killzone 2: YouTube - WWII Flamethrower Demo

The German Flammenwerfer 34/35 had a total range of approximately 100 feet.

 

[Sichartshofen]

Flamethrower in RL doesn't have so much "ammo" like in games or films. Personnel fuel tank allow to use flamethrower for 10 seconds only.

German version Flammenwerfer 35 weight 45 kilos amd it was single use on battlefield. I think it might be kinda boring weapon or suicide weapon in RO:HOS if it stays close to real.

The Flammenwerfer 35 was replaced by the Flammenwerfer 41 long before the battle of Stalingrad. At half the weight and 10 seconds of fuel. I hardly think people are going to find it boring roasting people at close range.

 

[Zetsumei]

Remember that the range of realistic flamethrowers is quite a bit further than you generally see in games like that video. So if portrayed well they can definitely be effective. The limited amount of fuell will give it some balance. If anything i think that they would be pretty strong especially as the flame stream blocks peoples their view as well.

Hmm the germans used hydrogen as pressurizer. If anything that is one of the most instable flammable gas types I know ;o.

 

[Brendan]

I believe that hydrogen was used earlier in the war, but then was replaced by nitrogen for obvious reasons. Even so, there is no oxygen within the tank to cause an explosion inside of it.

Flamethrowers in a highly realistic game could change the balance of a match easily. Like others and myself have states before, there is a huge difference in common video game flamethrowers and real flamethrowers.

 

[Mormegil]

Hmm the germans used hydrogen as pressurizer. If anything this is one the most instable flammable gas types I know ;o.

Hey, if it was good enough for the Hindenberg...wait bad example.

 

[Makino]

Oh God, yes!

BTW, ask if you can borrow Guerilla Games Killzone 2 flamethrower tech (be prepared for awesome):

This looks like KF flamethrower, with much less range.

 

[Mr Milkman]

well if the tanks weren't really that flammable, could we skip the realism on just that point at least? NOTHING more satisfying then popping a guy in his fuel tank and watching him blow and take out 5 other guys with him! LOL

 

[PETERPANs]

And what about flamethrowers mounted on vehicles like tank end etc.

I cant find german vehicle with flamethrower. Russians got it.

 

[RedGuardist]

I cant find german vehicle with flamethrower. Russians got it.

As Soviets had for example OT-26, OT-130 and OT-34 flame tanks, the Germans had for example Flammpanzer III Ausf M, or Panzer II Flamm or Flammpanzer 38 (t). And also a flamethrower halftrack build on Sdkfz 251.

 

[PETERPANs]

I heared abou hetzer flamethrower tank too. I think they used it in stalingrad or not? Of course not hetzer tanks, they come later.

 

[Brendan]

Flamethrower tanks could disperse flame over MUCH further distances due to a larger capacity of the propellant (ie: nitrogen)

Milkman, IMO for a game like this, the ballistics should be as realistic as possible.

@PETERPANs: "Hetzer" tanks were first produced in 1944.

 

[PETERPANs]

@PETERPANs: "Hetzer" tanks were first produced in 1944.

I know, just bad writing

 

[Agenda_Suicide]

Even if the tanks don't explode from being shot. A shot to the tank would render the weapon useless since all the contents would escape through the holes. That in it self would be a cool effect seeing bullet holes with gas pressure spewing out.

 

[Brendan]

Yeah, or even some flames shooting out if there happened to be a spark on the exterior when the contents were spewing out under the pressure.

 

[Ragnarök]

Yes, flamethrowers should be in the game for sure.

A picture of a flamethrower unit in Stalingrad.



As it was mentioned earlier int his thread, flamethrower units often played a key role in house to house fighting and tunnel fighting in the canalisation of Stalingrad.