Beta Map RO-Debrecen beta3
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I disagree with this... all things being equal, with AB the Panther has the advantage over the IS2.
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Paajtor 2 days ago was the same with allies team. Teams were even and allies lost 4 rounds and won only 2. Yesterday axis also won some round. If there was another Tiger added, axis would be winning too many times.
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You forget to mention the 1st, 13th and 23rd Panzer Divisions were part of the III Panzer Corps, as well as the 503 heavy battalion. And the 24th Panzer Division took part as well.
It was a big battle / operation, over many square miles, that lasted 3 weeks (?), and several panzer battalions. Who can say which part we are playing. The balance of the map is more relevant.
Keystone, I've played this map a couple of evening now, and really, really like it. Nicely done.
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Ok, I believe you.
Guess it just depends on which players are on the server (no surprise there, lol).
What are your plans, when the TigerII eventually becomes available?
Nothing, and wait for the SU-100?
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With the AB mod the balance seems fine to me. The team that wins is the one who works together and communicates.
Your map is just too big for infantry to be represented in a realistic manner. You have created a realistic large scale late war tank map, leave it at that.
Giving everyone satchels is encouraging the same behavior you see on Orel. Someone drives up to an enemy tank before getting knocked out they bail and run at them with primed satchels.
Your map is just too big for infantry to be represented in a realistic manner. You have created a realistic large scale late war tank map, leave it at that.
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After further experience on B3 I'd have to say the imbalance is not as bad as it may seem.
But I still say the edge goes to the Allies (w/AB, even skilled teams). I don't think it has as much to do with the heavies. But the speed advantage for the Allies & the stugs on this map seem to struggle just to be a factor.
Mby the Allies should have a little edge, makes Axis victory all the sweeter.
But I still say the edge goes to the Allies (w/AB, even skilled teams). I don't think it has as much to do with the heavies. But the speed advantage for the Allies & the stugs on this map seem to struggle just to be a factor.
Mby the Allies should have a little edge, makes Axis victory all the sweeter.
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So let they play with AB
. With AB you can't destroy tank by satchel when he's moving, radius is too small. You must place in on top of tank or just close to tank.And that's why I'm not adding some infantry roles like PAK soldats beacuse there would be too less them, crewmans with satchels only simulate real infantry in some way. For me it never happend with AB that some infantry was in time to run to my tank and place satchel before I shot him. It's very easy to kill him anyway.
Ok, I believe you.
Guess it just depends on which players are on the server (no surprise there, lol).
What are your plans, when the TigerII eventually becomes available?
Nothing, and wait for the SU-100?
Maybe I'll remove 2 panthers and leave only 1 Panther along with 1 King Tiger or something like that. I'd like to add JgdPzIV/70 also as it were many in this battle.
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Yeah the map is balanced, I just came back from axis slaughtering allies 2 rounds in a row. As has been said before it's just a matter of which team is better.
One thing though Keystone. I would suggest moving the axis forward spawn back just a little so they are just behind the hill and not on top of the hill. If allies push forward to cap village they will see axis spawn. Also I don't really think that the second forward spawn (not the first forward, I mean the one when the losing team only has 1 cap point left) is needed, from what i've seen this makes it pretty much impossible for the other team to push back, making it a little too much of a slippery slope. Though I will have to play more to be sure.
One thing though Keystone. I would suggest moving the axis forward spawn back just a little so they are just behind the hill and not on top of the hill. If allies push forward to cap village they will see axis spawn. Also I don't really think that the second forward spawn (not the first forward, I mean the one when the losing team only has 1 cap point left) is needed, from what i've seen this makes it pretty much impossible for the other team to push back, making it a little too much of a slippery slope. Though I will have to play more to be sure.
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ok, I've been bad - mouthing the stug's on this map a little. But after much effort to prove myself wrong , I had a few good games & better luck. One must be patient & face the fact you can't knock out an IS2 head on.
Most times I have used stugs in Debrechen is when Axis was on the verge of defeat & I had to be aggressive. Otherwise, if i'm not gung ho & killing prioritizes capping. The stug plays an important part!
, I had a few good games & better luck. One must be patient & face the fact you can't knock out an IS2 head on. Most times I have used stugs in Debrechen is when Axis was on the verge of defeat & I had to be aggressive. Otherwise, if i'm not gung ho & killing prioritizes capping. The stug plays an important part!
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paul you are right
when i am in a panther i have taken out 2 js2 and 3 t34/85 in a couple min the panther its fantastic if you know how to use the panther it can be a proper killer ohh and you must use team work ;-) on his map
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Buwhahaha you wont to see the long nose killerSo let they play with AB
And that's why I'm not adding some infantry roles like PAK soldats beacuse there would be too less them, crewmans with satchels only simulate real infantry in some way. For me it never happend with AB that some infantry was in time to run to my tank and place satchel before I shot him. It's very easy to kill him anyway.
Maybe I'll remove 2 panthers and leave only 1 Panther along with 1 King Tiger or something like that. I'd like to add JgdPzIV/70 also as it were many in this battle.
so do i, the humble jagdpanzer 4
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I suggest that a short respawn delay be added to the Panthers and IS-2's. Not a long delay, perhaps only 20 seconds or so. But long enough that the same person won't get the heavy tank over and over whenever they die. It's so bad that I've seen people cry "you stole my tank!" when someone is lucky enough to spawn at the exact same moment as the guy with the panther/is-2 just died.
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I think the Germans need one more tank capable of penetrating the frontal armor of the is2, another panther or tiger. Once the KT arrives then that . Althought maybe another is2 would be needed to counter the kt.
I like how this map basically requires team tanking a commander looking out for targets is absolutely necessary.
. Althought maybe another is2 would be needed to counter the kt. I like how this map basically requires team tanking a commander looking out for targets is absolutely necessary.
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The loadout is fine as it is, another panther would imbalance the map. The is-2 has such slow reload time that it's only a big threat if you try to duel with it in a pz4 or stug, which you shouldn't do obviously. Just flank it and it's toast. When I've played I've seen both sides winning equally, maybe with the slightest bit of edge in favor of the russians solely because of the speed of the T-34 but not nearly enough to warrant another panther. I'm having alot of fun finally getting to play axis and actually getting a challenge and not just a turkey shoot. I love driving the stug on this map and ambush poor unsuspecting is2-s and t-34's.
Oh and remember this map was balanced with the Armored Beasts mutator in mind.
Oh and remember this map was balanced with the Armored Beasts mutator in mind.
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I'm gonna to reduce tanks in both sides especially in allies team to force players to use also SU76, T34/76 so maybe this will more balance the map. Currently in axis team there are 13 tanks and even with 16 players in axis, still I see some not used tank at spawn and that is why beacuse many people are playing together in 1 tank. So I probably reduce in both sides to 12 tanks or something like that.
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That sounds ok.
But regarding the SU-76...it's cannon turns extremely slow. Is this because of the AB-mutator?
Why was this done that way? The SU is already very vunerable because of it's weak armour. Add the slow-turning cannon to this, and you become a sitting duck.
But regarding the SU-76...it's cannon turns extremely slow. Is this because of the AB-mutator?
Why was this done that way? The SU is already very vunerable because of it's weak armour. Add the slow-turning cannon to this, and you become a sitting duck.
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There have been times when the axis is tankless, but I have never seen the Allied side w/out tanks in spawn. Seems like shaving a few t34's would be a good idea.
Any plans on changing some of those invisible walls that are next to the farm & at some bushes? I can give more specific locations if you would like.
look forward to the next version!
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