Heavy Weapon Crews

[Scipiiouse]

I was just thinking that Instead of having to pick up a heavy weapon (PAK 38 as an Example) I was thinking that it would be a good idea that at the choose kit menu, theres two buttons, One is Infantry and the other is Crews.
There could be a maximum to 4 weapon crews on a map, with 3 or 4 per Crew, and you could either join one or make a new one, at which case you could then pick what heavy weapon to use (I don't mean like an Anti Tank or MG, I mean like artillery pieces)

Just an Idea, Flame or Fame, take your pick.

 

[odin1899]

You mean add a crew class for the new-ish fanmade AT-guns?

 

[{Cap-Down}]

I think he means that. Which would be more realistic, i mean wern't troops specifically trained to be in an anti tank gun detatchment.

 

[fOgGy]

I think he means that. Which would be more realistic, i mean wern't troops specifically trained to be in an anti tank gun detatchment.

Why not, tanks have their own crews so the same should apply to the anti-tank guns.

 

[[DA]DIZ]

Yeah, giving a shell to the gunner is 100% pure fun !!!

 

[Rak]

It may be fun for some, why not leave the choice for mappers and players? It's not all about frags you know I'm sure there can be done something to make it useful.

 

[Solo4114]

I believe we'd be "abstracting" the loader role. The only other way to do it would be to have two positions, one for loader/spotter and the other for gunner. The gunner wouldn't be able to fire unless the loader/spotter was in the gun.

Only trouble is, that's not how the current AT guns work. They abstract the role of the loader and gunner into one role, and simply delay the speed at which you fire.

I still think this would be a good idea, though, to have AT guns mannable only by crews. But maybe this should wait 'til we have some more AT guns and/or other crew-served weapons. I'd also give the crewmen a carbine of some sort, or SMG maybe, with only a few clips. No grenades, though. Not the usual pistol loadout.

 

[fOgGy]

Yeah, giving a shell to the gunner is 100% pure fun !!!

Why not give the loader 1 point everytime he gives the shell to the gunner ? That way it makes it more fun and encourages people to do boring things.

 

[KrazyKraut]

This idea has been brought up a couple of times already (Maxim, MG34/42 in heavy role, DShk...) with the consensus being the player count is simply too limited already.... however on a 50 player server this could be a blast.

 

[jedinstven-o crni Wuk]

I think he means that. Which would be more realistic, i mean wern't troops specifically trained to be in an anti tank gun detatchment.

Yes, there have been special trained artillery crews, serving in the one or other part of the military. The wehrmacht, Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe had most of the time their own "class" trained for the use of some weapons. One example, the use of the 88 Flak, most of the time manned by artillery mens.. Though I think most AT-guns have been designed the way, that they are easy to use or at least to load from any usual soldier. Aiming and knowing the "weak spots" of the target, is truly a different story, and makes the advanced artillery men, or officer in most cases.

I dont think it is unrealistic if soldier can use AT guns and a special class just for that purpose, might be unnecessary.

Yeah, giving a shell to the gunner is 100% pure fun !!!

Why? It would not be less fun, like a driver from a tank, that found a perfect spot for your "guner" (commander) and you spend the rest of the map, just in your driving seat, cause the machine gun is already in use. Its still fun, when your crew owns the other team! Why? Cause you get the points as well. It happens all the time, when I share the IS2 with someone, that I end as driver often doing nothing, after I angled my tank, and the Gunner spends the rest of the time, killing the enemy, now is this less fun? Maybe, for some, not for me, cause I am a team person.

I sense it the same way, in giving or loading shells in side a AT-weapon. As long you share all the points together from the kill. And as long you have some animation to it

 

[angelangel]

I didn't know you could "pick up" a Pak 38.

 

[18Bravo]

You can, it just requires more than one person. Being able to drag the AT-guns around would be nice as well, but wouldn't be all that great by yourself.

 

[Zoring]

I reckon the best bet would be too have a 'dummy' or 'prop' player appear when you jump on an AT gun who does the reloading animation, like a bot but not.

 

[Cuddles]

I hope he can be killed and he can respawn again, so I can rack up some points.

 

[{Cap-Down}]

How about the Loader also "paints" targets. So he has a pair of binocs, and when he clicks on a group of inf it will alert the gunner. For example there's a tank at 10'o clock

a voice command or message across the screen "ENEMY TANK LEFT 10 O'clock!"

or a group of infantry

"ENEMY INFANTRY RIGHT 2 O'clock!"

as well as doing this he loads the gun.

I think that's a good fix.

 

[SgtH3nry3]

You can, it just requires more than one person. Being able to drag the AT-guns around would be nice as well, but wouldn't be all that great by yourself.

Hmm, maybe this idea of mobile field guns could finally mean that Maxim carts are possible aswell.

 

[{Cap-Down}]

it wouldn't be easy. I mean who guides the AT gun, they could choose to stear it into enemy fire or an unteneble position. Would require too much trust in the "driver" of the AT gun. I think AT guns should be stationery and so should heavy mgs. I mean your assistant could run off with your tripod!

AT guns should have crew though. One spotter loader, One guy aiming and firing.

Heavy Mgs should have one gunner and numerous assistants. The Mgs should not be moveable only in fixed positions, with optics in some cases. They should have low recoil and be deadly to overcome by all but a sniper.

 

[Scipiiouse]

Hey, they all sound like pretty good ideas to me, and about the moving the piece thingy, you could have like the people have to move (press foreward, back etc. Keys) in the same direction within two seconds to successfully push it, that could work, or it could fail

 

[18Bravo]

Good thing gravity isn't too much of an issue on the game, or else it would take you all map to get the gun up a hill. Then think about putting a trailer hitch on the back of a KV or Russian transport to Tow the Guns.