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Level Design DarkJuly vs Orel

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#61
Harry S. Truman said:
I don't really see the possibility of tactics on Orel. The map is SO big and you have no recon or intelligence that you can't plan anything out in advance other than what objective you are going for.
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Actually, you're wrong. There are more possibilities for tactics and planning BECAUSE the map is so big. Because it takes a while to get there, and because there's a lot more room to maneuver, you can usually lay out a nice plan with your fellow TT'er ("let's go west of the ruins, call in arty, then move on to the west field", something like that)

Harry S. Truman said:
You spawn, drive 5 minutes, round the corner of a hill and someone waiting in ambush destroys you. Drive 5 minutes again....ad nauseam, for an agonizing 90 MINUTES!!!
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Either you're a solo tanker, or you're quite bad at driving.
 
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#62
Nimsky said:
Actually, you're wrong. There are more possibilities for tactics and planning BECAUSE the map is so big. Because it takes a while to get there, and because there's a lot more room to maneuver, you can usually lay out a nice plan with your fellow TT'er ("let's go west of the ruins, call in arty, then move on to the west field", something like that)
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That's not tactics, that's a battle plan. Tactics are the fire and manuver you use to overcome the enemy. Tactics is pinning down an enemy tank with fire while someone moves up on the flank. Tactics is moving your tank in a shallow depression so you can get a better shot while a buddy tells you what your target is doing. Orel does not promote tactics.
 
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#68
yourpal said:
BlackDayJuly has become a defense game for the Russians? My fav. map has lost its appeal again. Russian can not retake objectives and I have yet see them win under this mode. Man!
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Say thanks to the germboy who just had to put tigers in there without of course the t34/85.
So many maps are getting changed in favor for the axis in the name of realism.
Try to out flank a tiger on that small map when it has some Panzer 4s as escort. All you can do on Black is hope that the german tiger crew ****s or else you are screwed.


Hey, there is this huge snow map where germans have to cross a river, who the heck changed that map? Such a good idea to put mine fields on the russian side everywhere and give the germans a halftrack so they can mow us down. Even before the changes germans used to win there quite often. And now it's about 80% win rate for them.
The maps has also a B6 (or whatever number) ending behind it.
 
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#69
Kurt Naake said:
Say thanks to the germboy who just had to put tigers in there without of course the t34/85.
So many maps are getting changed in favor for the axis in the name of realism.
Try to out flank a tiger on that small map when it has some Panzer 4s as escort. All you can do on Black is hope that the german tiger crew ****s or else you are screwed.

Yeah, the other thing I find interesting, and I am sure it is in my head, is when you begin to finally rack up some kills, and taking it to the germans, you get "you have been booted, no reason given." What is that about?
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#70
Verluste21 said:
Orel is way too big. Driving 5 min to action isnt fun at all. Even when the bridges are broke and cant be repaired. I also miss bushes and trees... its all so flat and unrealistic..

But the rest of Orel is ok though. JUST TOO BIG!!!
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No argument, but I like the size of Orel, since there is 80 mins of play, it seems to me to be part of the game's tactical aspect. The Orel I play, has cities on hills and very little flat area other in West and East field. I know some don't like it, but there are small tank maps that are good too I like to play went I want a fast game. Again, no argument just the other view about Orel, that it is liked by some for being a big map.
 
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Kurt Naake said:
Say thanks to the germboy who just had to put tigers in there without of course the t34/85.
So many maps are getting changed in favor for the axis in the name of realism.
Try to out flank a tiger on that small map when it has some Panzer 4s as escort. All you can do on Black is hope that the german tiger crew ****s or else you are screwed.
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What?

:confused:
 
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#73
It is possible to take out a tiger with a T34/76, its not easy but with a good team and 2 or 3 tanks (or 2 or 3 respawns) it can be done.



As for which map I prefer I like orel more, I find that black day in july you either go right or left and either way your instantly face to face (at 800m) with the enemy, I dont get the same feeling of freedom and being able to flank. Orel on the other tank you have left, right and Center to go. Each direction provides wide open areas for fights but you can also sneek around and flank because of the different directions of attack. I think the biggest reason I like this map more is because of the large mountain in the center of the map, it provides really good fights on its own but it also divides the map down the center. It really gives you that feeling that your on this huge map as everything takes so long to do.
 
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#75
Heinz said:
yeah, I think that sums it up nicely. I think at this point, I'm ready for some new armor in RO, whatever it is, I don't really care. :)
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Yes, I love this game and what the developers have done, I can not stop playing, in spite of TKers. I would love to see some new aspects like armor, the use of mortors :), airplanes if at all possible, and maybe new arenas like the Brits and Germans in Africa. :p
 
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#78
ButterFace said:
Black Day July is another one of the custom maps that IS NOT ready for primetime.
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I agree with Heinz, its a fun map and has good battles but when I have a choice of which to play I will take Orel.


As for new tanks Lex over at after hourz is working on the new BT-7 tank for there custom maps, wOOt. Hopefully we can have it ingame by the time slyks new map is complete (Out of the beta stages).
 
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#79
i like darkjuly a lot more, thats no disrespect to the maker of orel, orel is just purely too gigantic to appeal to me, darkjuly takes long enough to win, i like dark july b1 more than dark july rc33..rc33 does seem more like a normal level but i dont really like the changes..b1 seems to promote team work better in my experiences
 
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