New rifles for the axis

[Rameusb5]

I'd like to see the Russians get the AVS-36 in some early maps.

This looks like a wonderful design. It was capable of semi and full automatic fire and had a 15 round clip.


But from what I've read it was nearly impossible to control in full automatic mode and was phased out of service prior to WWII, only seeing very small action there.

I'm not certain it's appropriate. But it definately is a cool weapon design (on paper).

 

[aktionman]

You complain that the game cannot implemnt german weapons that were not widely use dont forget that they barely made any PPD40 and the mp41 was a military police weapon, not a frontline infantry gun so if they want to implemnt a more rare gun, i say let them

I do not follow. Already the guiding principle of realism - which is what makes RO so distinctive and good - has been sacrificed by introducing these rare weapons. So now we may as well have more of the same?

Realism should include type and availability of weapons as it was during the specific battle/map, otherwise next thing it degenerates into a "secret weapons" game.

 

[K.Johansen]

MP28! Mp28 was certainly common early ear.

 

[Gewehr 43]

I think there are enough differences between the G41 - G43, and the 33/40 - K98k to make each unique as far as gameplay is concerned.

The G41 was available in limited numbers beginning in spring of 1941 (1200 pre-production, evaluation, G41(W)-marked units delivered by July 2, 1941), so it shouldn't be very common even on early war maps. It reached peak production by late '42/early '43 until the factories began gearing up for G43 production instead. As long as map makers take that into concideration and limit the availability of the rifle, the G41 has every right to be in the game.

As to the rifle itself, it is heavy overall and specifically muzzle heavy. If added to the game, it should quickly fatigue the avatar's arm in unsupported positions. Perhaps the sprint distance could be decreased while carrying it as well. (It's my opinion that it should be decreased when carrying heavy guns like MG's and such.)

Additionally, it has a fixed magazine and was designed to be fed solely by stripper clips. This is a significant difference from the G43 and its detachable magazine design.

Both of those would make a big difference to game play relative to the G43.

Likewise, I feel that the 33/40, while not widely used would be a useful counterpart to the M38/M44 if appropriate for the units on the map. Take all the qualities of the Mosin carbines and apply them to the 33/40 and you have a fair rifle for use with Gebirgsjaeger units.

Just my thoughts.

 

[K.Johansen]

Im not sure of the exact length of the 33/40, but it is not as short as the M38 and M44 AFAIK. It would be a cool weapon to have I guess but its basically a 98k with a bigger kick. I think the mp28 was alot more common than the 33/40 =0

 

[[CiA]Stiletto]

I think it would be neat to have some SKSes and FG42s added in for a few more Berlin scenarios. Didn't something like 2000 SKS prototypes make it in just before Berlin fell?

 

[Wint-O-Green]

The MP-34 could fit a bayonet. Kind of odd to fit a bayo on an SMG, eh?

 

[GonzoX]

So did most Sten Guns but they never really got used with it. Most of the spike bayos came in more handy being used as tent spikes.

 

[Wint-O-Green]

So did most Sten Guns but they never really got used with it. Most of the spike bayos came in more handy being used as tent spikes.

Wasn't the barrel of one of the Sten models sharpened so it could be used as a bayonet if needed?

 

[Gewehr 43]

Im not sure of the exact length of the 33/40, but it is not as short as the M38 and M44 AFAIK. It would be a cool weapon to have I guess but its basically a 98k with a bigger kick. I think the mp28 was alot more common than the 33/40 =0

I'm not sure right off the top of my head how the length of the Mosin carbine compares with that of the 33/40. Honestly, the 33/40 isn't that much shorter than the K98. A bigger kick it definitely has though.

Still, I think there are gameplay implications that could make it noticeably different than a K98. Again, make the avatar's arm fatigue less quickly, resulting in a more stable sight picture in unsupported positions. Make the kick a little harder than the K98, make the free aim a little better (like the mosin carbines), and make it come up to the shoulder a little faster and you've got a new gun from a gameplay standpoint.

 

[[CiA]Stiletto]

Also, weren't PPDs in fact manufactured in rather large quantities, until the PPSh came out? Given, that's only about a year of production, but apparently they were commonly issued to tank crews because they're shorter than PPShs.

 

[Zbojnik]

^That's were the PPS-43 came in handy. I like RameusB5's points. And beware of him with the MP-40.

 

[Rameusb5]

^That's were the PPS-43 came in handy. I like RameusB5's points. And beware of him with the MP-40.

Thanks for the compliment!


PS- I love your sig... Kremlin Fried Chicken indeed!

 

[EvilAmericanMan]

I'd like to see the Russians get the AVS-36 in some early maps.

Why bother? Not only was the AVS hardly used on the Eastern Front, but the SVT was more common than the AVS in 1941, seeing as the SVT was used throughout the entire war. You can use it on early maps.

I think it would be neat to have some SKSes and FG42s added in for a few more Berlin scenarios. Didn't something like 2000 SKS prototypes make it in just before Berlin fell?

That's alot, but considering there were hordes of Russians...maybe. I think early prototypes of the AK-47 were used in the battle of Berlin also, in very few numbers of course. That could be false though.

 

[GonzoX]

Never heard that one. AK47 wasn't designed until 1947 hence the "47" in AK47. Even then it really wasn't even produced until the 1950s.

 

[Rogers1337]

ive been hearing this for ages, that the russians got the idea and design from the stg 44, for the ak47. Is this true? Sure not blueprint by blueprint, but they look very similar and it would make sense.

 

[EvilAmericanMan]

Kalashnikov got the idea of the cartridge concept, gas system, layout and construction from the StG 44. Other things (double locking lugs, unlocking raceway, and trigger mechanism) were more similar to the M1 Garand. But he did not base it on the StG.

 

[Zbojnik]

Thanks for the compliment!


PS- I love your sig... Kremlin Fried Chicken indeed!

Thank you very much. We just has fun on Stalingrad Kessel. I play as Jager.

 

[Deathsai]

Anywhere you look, it says that Kalashnikov "furiously denies" basing the rifle on the StG-44. Parts of it were taken from examinations on other assault rifles, but the AK-47 wasn't based on it.

 

[kabex]

They can say what they want, the STG44 is the one and only assault rifle.

Everyone and their grandma copied the STG44.