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The reason is not money or greed or power. Those are traits of weak and dumb people.

Those are simply the means to an end for them. They require money and power to be able to take control of the planet.

While they do have all the power in the world, it is not absolute power in that they cannot openly do whatever they want to do. They must do it behind the scenes, engineering events and situations and then exploiting them to advance their goals toward their overall agenda of global domination.

They are working toward absolutel power and thats what the New World Order is all about. One world governance. When we have that, who the hell is there to stop that single one world government doing whatever the hell it wants to do? NO ONE!

That is why humanity is unknowingly slamming shut the cell door on itself and then throwing away the key. Like stupid children we are.

We trot around all day in a state of blissfull ignorance thinking the world is all fine and dandy and that world poverty and strvation and cancer is all being sorted out as we speak so we can feel good about our little selves and can persue our pathetic little goals of happiness.

YOu see, were just sheep. Selfish, absolutely completely ignorant sheep that has been shutting the cell door on ourselves for years and years now.

As soon as the coming conflict between the West and China/Russia happens in the next couple of years, they world will be 10x worse than post-WW2.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BEG FOR WORLD GOVERNANCE, THE MICROCHIP AND EVERYTHING ELSE THE POWER ELITE SUGGEST TO THEM!

THAT it when humanity hase thrown away the key to the cell door they shut closed on themselves.

Now their overall reason for this is that hundreds of thousands years ago when they first arrived on earth, their mothership abondoned them and they were stranded here and so they basically simply want to survive by taking control of the planet like they had up untill Babylon and Sumer-era where all the nuclear wars between multiple alien races took place all accross Mesopotamia (middle-east). That coupled with the alarming rate of multiplication of their very own creation - the human race - they were forced underground and to cross-breed with sympathetic human families so that they could posess the bodies of these bloodlines from another dimension so they could execute their agenda through seeming humans!

They created all religions, all ideologies and all the rest of it to keep humanity in ignorance so that we become a piece of cake to manipulate.

Their time limit for the full implementation of the New World Order is 2012... 6 years from now. A photon storm is coming in 2012. A photon storm is harmless to humans but will wipe the reptilian race out completely so they want to put safety measures in place to stop it from affecting them and for that, they require humanity to be under their complete control via a New World Order Global One World Governance.

And finally did you listen to anything I said? You agree your in the 95% majority of idiots, right? Well then how can you possibly outright dismiss a version of reality that goes against your own? Remember, that 95% you are under has a version of reality that is compeltely false BECAUSE IT WAS IMPOSED ON TO THEM BY THE VERY "PEOPLE" I AM TALKNIG ABOUT!

You even said you subscribe to Cathlocism and Atheism. There you go, you have just limited your perception of reality right there, by subscribing to two different beleif systems.

The trick is to not beleive in a single god damm thing and to not follow any dogma whatsoever becuase as soon as you do that, you being to edit out information you recieve or all together just not go where it begins to challenge those beliefs.

A good example and proof of that is with 99% of conspiracy theorists. As much as I admire them for getting the truth out. Most are indoctrinated in to the "I love America" or "I'm a Christian/Chatholic/New Ager" ect ect and so they are only willing TO GO AS FAR AS WHAT FITS IN-LINE WITH THOSE VERY BELIEFS!

They go on and on about the 5-sense conspiracy regarding secret societies, names, places, ect ect but as soon as they come across the multi-dimentional level to it all and the non-human aspect of it, they back right off BECUASE THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM AND DOGMA DO NOT FIT IT !!!

Only David Icke dares go that far down the rabbit hole.

*awaits pathetic remarks and opinions regarding David Icke that were formed from twisted media comments, half-truths and distortions and not from hard research on the guy*

Pathetic.
 
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Let me get this whole thing in to perspective for you.

Do you beleive in aliens? Proably, becuase serveys show that most people do.

Okay, now extent that just one step further to accomadate the possibility that they own our governments arses on a silver plate.

See how likely this whole things seems when put in to prspective?

You gotta take a step back when you look at conspiracies instead of allowing your initial reactions, which are programmed and conditioned responses to key trigger words and ideas, to ovverride your logical thought processes and form you end judgment.

Unlearn :)
 
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seems the illuminati has deleted the last posts of this thread..

Anyway, D4v, as I said I watched the first part of that david icke video, and , well it wasnt earth-shattering imo.

one of its major faults is that it seems mr.Icke so desperatly WANTS to believe in this global conspiracy thing he constantly makes connections that are sometimes far-fetched, sometimes just silly..

Example:
The sun as a symbol - this is just silly, the sun is to all humans a universal source of power, heat and light , and have been viewed as such since the dawn of man, no wonder people use it in pictures, symbols and tie it to god(s) had the sun been drawn in the same way ie, same nr of rays, smiley in the middle etc in all the cases, well that would be somewhat strange, but the suns he shows are mostly just all different..

The Eye as a symbol - same thing goes here, our primary sense, the one we even use to see the symbols themselves, no wonder its in symbols everywhere.. also a TV-channel uses the eye-symbol aint that the BOMB!! TV is about.... thats right WATCHING STUFF, using the eye... could this be part of the reason for CBS's logo?

Numbers are even sillier. pick ANY number between 1 and 20 , and I can easily show how everything is based on that number, if you just want to, you can take say the number 4, and find it everywhere.. "every house on the planet has 4 walls!!", look at all the squares out there!!! is the aliens plan!! the pentagon has 5 sides, its the nr 1 HQ of the army, 5-1 is 4!! etc, I could go on and on, with more or less intelligent "proof"

Also, the reason Icke is so focused on these symbolic things is because its so easy to use as "proof", you can hear him say it over and over "They are obsessed with symbols" ..
 
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He's the farmer barren fields,
the force the army wields,
expressions on the faces
of the starving millions,
the power up above.
the fuel that drives the Klan,
he's the motive and the conscience
of the murderer
he's the preacher on TV,
the false sincerity,
the form letters that written by
the big computers,
he's the nuclear bombs,
the kids with no moms
and I'm fearful that
he's inside me

Nice interview by the way
 
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Well, if the illuminati did that to mask their conspiracy, they failed miserably, as they deleted the wrong posts :rolleyes:

But then, what can you excpect of people crossbreeding with underground dwelling extra-terrestrial reptiles stranded on our planet for millenia, which are going to be extinct due to a photon storm if they don't manage to rule the world by 2012?

Heck, that sounds like right out of a Douglas Adams novel :D
 
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DAVID ICKE NEWSLETTER, MAY 6TH 2006
IT'S BILDERBERG TIME ... BUT DON'T YOU DARE SAY A WORD ...
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'Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off'. - Samuel Johnson
Hello all ...

May is normally the month that sees the annual meeting of the highly-secretive Bilderberg Group, which I have been highlighting in my books for 15 years or so.

It is part of an interlocking network that manipulates world events to the goal of global centralisation and control, the so-called 'New World Order'. The graphic below summarises the links in the network, but there are many others, too, in this nexus of greed and power.
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The London-based secret society known as the Round Table sits at the centre of the nexus, coordinating the same agenda through the Bilderberg Group, which brings together the elite of Europe and America; the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London (also known as Chatham House); the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission in the United States; the United Nations, which is the group's stalking horse for world government; and the Club of Rome.

All these organisations claim to be 'think tanks' made up of leading figures in politics, business, banking, military, royalty and media . What they are, in truth, are vehicles for coordinating the Illuminati plan for world government, world central bank, world army, world currency, and a microchipped population linked to a global computer.

It was the Round Table network that manipulated into place the League of Nations, later the United Nations, the European Union, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, World Trade Organisation, and the explosion of global groupings through which the world can be centrally controlled.

The original architect of the Round Table was the Illuminati front man, Cecil Rhodes, the Rothschild agent who devastated Southern Africa with war and poverty and turned the region into a slave state under British Empire control. It has still not recovered and its exploitation by the same forces continues to this day under the illusory guise of 'independence'.

The mass killer, Robert Mugabe, who seized power in Rhodesia (named after Rhodes) when it became Zimbabwe, has long been the puppet of prominent Bilderberger, Henry Kissinger, whose pal, Lord Carrington, was also the British Foreign Secretary in 1979 when Mugabe was handed control of Zimbabwe by the British and American governments. Carrington later became a long-time chairman of the Bilderberg Group and NATO Secretary General.

Long-time Bilderberg chairman Lord Carrington with appropriate symbolism

Bilderbergers and members of other groups in the Round Table network invariably turn up in key positions of power. Bill Clinton attended the Bilderberg meeting in 1991 and became U.S. President the following year. Tony Blair was invited in 1993 and, thanks to the sudden and convenient death of John Smith, he became leader of the Labour Party the following year. Blair has now been UK Prime Minister since 1997, slavishly following the Bilderberg/Illuminati agenda. Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell are all Bilderbergers.

Cecil Rhodes and others agreed to form the secret society that became the Round Table when they met in 1891. Among them was Lord Esher, a friend, confidant and advisor to Queen Victoria, King Edward VII and King George V. The group consisted, like all similar organisations, of at least two levels. One was the inner circle, the 'Society of the Elect' (in the know) and the outer circle was called the 'Association of Helpers' (not in the know).

This is the familiar technique of using a group of largely innocent people to hide, and defend through lack of knowledge, the organisation they think they know, but don't. This is why most Freemasons are aghast at allegations about the real agenda of Freemasonry. Later the Rhodes insiders were joined by Rothschild banker, Alfred Milner, who took over as leader with the death of Rhodes in 1902. In time, the group became known as the Round Table.
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Alfred, later Viscount, Milner
Incidentally, Rhodes left money in his will to fund 'Rhodes Scholarships' in which overseas students selected by the elite would have their fees paid to attend the Illuminati Oxford University. They are still going today and one of the lucky lads selected was the later Bilderberger and U.S. President Bill Clinton.
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Clinton with fellow Round Table Rhodes Scholar Wesley Clark, on the left, the Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO from 1997 to 2000, and Commander of Operation Allied Force - the war in Kosovo. On the right is Javier Solana, former Secretary General of NATO, and yet another Bilderberger.

The Round Table network expanded to include the Royal Institute of International Affairs (1920), the Council on Foreign Relations (1921), the Bilderberg Group (1954), the Trilateral Commission (1973), and so on. These groups have among their number leading names in politics, media, business, banking and military who can be coordinated to a common end, knowingly and mostly unknowingly, by the central core, the Round Table.

The Milner Round Table was behind the Balfour Declaration in 1917 through which the British government gave its support for a Jewish homeland in Israel based on Biblical 'history', without ever asking the Arab people of Palestine what they thought.


Lord Balfour - the write-it-for-me-and-I'll-sign-it-and-send-it-back-to-you declaration
The Balfour Declaration sounds like an announcement to parliament or a major public speech, but in fact it took the form of a letter from British Foreign Secretary, Lord Balfour, an inner circle member of the Round Table, to Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild, the funder of the Round Table. Many researchers believe that the letter was actually written by Rothschild in league with Round Table leader, Alfred Milner.

The expanding Round Table network and its global influence was behind the engineered First World War and the Versailles Peace Conference near Paris in 1919 which created the economic climate in Germany - on purpose - for the rise of Hitler and the Nazis. The elite of the Round Table from Britain and the United States, people like Alfred Milner, Edward Mandel House, and Bernard Baruch, were appointed to represent their countries at the meetings which decided how the world would be changed as a result of the war these same people had created.
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The Versailles Peace Conference of 1919 - controlled throughout by the Round Table/ Illuminati place men
They imposed impossible war reparation payments on Germany, so ensuring the collapse of the post-war Weimar Republic amid unbelievable economic catastrophe, and thus creating the very circumstances that brought Hitler to power. It was while in Paris that these Round Table members met at the Hotel Majestic to begin the process of creating their wider network. They also decided at Versailles that they all supported the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine - in line with the (their) Balfour Declaration.

As I show in my books, every one of the key players in Versailles was either a Rothschild bloodline or controlled by them.

The American President, Woodrow Wilson, was 'advised' by Colonel House and Bernard Baruch, both Rothschild clones and leaders of the Round Table in the United States; The British Prime Minister, Lloyd George, was 'advised' by Alfred Milner, Rothschild employee and Round Table leader, and Sir Phillip Sassoon, a direct descendent of Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the founder of the dynasty; The French leader, Georges Clemenceau, was 'advised' by his Minister for the Interior, Georges Mandel, whose real name was Jeroboam Rothschild.

What a stitch up.


The 'leaders' of Britain, France and the United States at Versailles, but none of them were controlling events.
The aim has always been the creation of a world government through the step-by-step technique, or what I call the Totalitarian Tiptoe. The Round Table's first effort was the League of Nations after the First World War, but when that failed they had more success with the United Nations, following their engineered World War Two.

We are now seeing their successors in the network, not least within the Bilderberg Group, pressing for the transition of the UN into a fully-fledged world government, even through evolving the present structure or replacing it. This is why Bilderbergers and co are supporting moves for a global tax to fund the UN - something I predicted they would do a decade and ago. The Bilderberg Group was also a central force behind the imposition of the European Union with its members in positions of controlling influence through the continent, including former British Prime Minister, Ted Heath, who campaigned for the centralisation of Europe throughout his career. It was he who signed Britain into what became the European Union and beside him was his Foreign Secretary, Lord Home (formerly Sir Alec Douglas Hume), a chairman of the Bilderberg Group.

Ted Heath - the man who signed Britain into what became the European Union in 1973. Heath was a long-time Bilderberg attendee, as well as a Satanist and child molester
The most prominent figures behind the Bilderberg Group and the Round Table network in the last 30 years or so have been American mogul, David Rockefeller, and manipulator-in-chief, Henry Kissinger. They have been the movers while the Rothschild dynasty are the shakers in the background.
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Waiting for their gods ... the aging Kissinger and Rockefeller after a lifetime of grotesque manipulation. What is really worth it, chaps?
Kissinger and Rockefeller still attend every Bilderberg meeting, but the power has shifted to others as the agenda moves on. The Neocon cabal behind the Bush Administration and the 'War on Terror' are now ever more prominent, people like Richard Pearle, Michael Ledeen, and the new head of the World Bank, Paul Wolfowitz, who replaced the Bilderberger and Rothschild partner, James Wolfenden. One wolf for another.

Key global posts like president of the World Bank, head of the World Trade Organisation, Secretary General of NATO, as well as major political, business and banking positions, are invariably held by Bilderbergers or members of other strands in the web.

Wolfowitz at a Bilderberg meeting shortly before he became World Bank president.
The Bilderberg Group, like the other organisations in the network, operate inner and outer circles of knowledge in the mould of their master blueprint, the Round Table. The inner circle knows, at least to a larger extent, what the agenda really is - the centralisation of global power in the hands of the few. Others, who are invited here and there, remain 'outer' members with a limited understanding of the game.

The 'outers' are manipulated and flattered into supporting an agenda they don't even know exists. They are sold a policy idea without realising how this fits with hundreds of others to create a picture these political babes-in-arms can't see. But because they were invited to the Bilderberg Group they think themselves important and intelligent. Once they have been used, like Margaret Thatcher, and have out-lived their usefulness, again like Margaret Thatcher, they're removed. Thatcher was supported for her economic policies, but once she resisted further centralisation of the European Union a large foot and her backside made perfect contact.
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Margaret Thatcher, who thought, like the nation, that she was the 'Iron Lady' in charge of everything. In fact, she was a puppet of her Foreign Secretary, Lord Carrington, a long-time chairman of the Bilderberg Group, and others in the Round Table network.
British Prime Ministers, Blair, Major, Thatcher, Callaghan, Wilson, Heath, and Home, going back to the early 1960s, have all been inner or outer Bilderbergers.
The Bilderberg meetings bring together present and potential manipulators to discuss matters of mutual interest. What follows are policy changes within the major governments that mirror what has been decided by the Bilderberg elite best serves the interests of their agenda, Global business and banking leaders rub shoulders, and scratch backs, with royalty, leading politicians, military chiefs and media owners and controllers, like Donald Graham, publisher of The Washington Post, and associate editor Jimmy Lee Hoagland. Leaders of other groups in the Round Table nexus, including Richard N. Haas, President of the Council on Foreign Relations, and former Director of Policy and Planning staff at the U.S. State Department, also attend.

At the bottom of this article I have posted links to the Bilderberg attendees at the last two meetings in Germany and Italy so you can get a feel for the range of backgrounds. It may be that the gathering - and extremely unwelcome - publicity for the Bilderberg Group through the Internet is dissuading many political figures from showing their face. It used to be so much easier for them to keep it secret before.



Typical Bilderberg 'networking' - Vernon E. Jordan was the Clinton 'confidant' who came to public prominence over the Monica Lewinsky affair.
So when the Bilderberg Group meet again somewhere this month or the next few weeks, its inner circle will be using the participants to push on with their plans for global conquest. Some will be aware of the big picture, some will not. Among the former will be the Neocons who desperately want to press forward with a strike against Iran, leading eventually to a conflict with China and the Third World War that Freemasonic 'hero', Albert Pike, predicted in the 19th century would usher in the global occult empire.

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Neocon master manipulator, Richard Pearle, arrives behind dark glass at the Bilderberg meeting in 2005
But I should stress here that, influential as the Round Table network may be, this is not the web. It is a series of extremely significant strands, that's all, the point where the Illuminati can interact with the wider world of political decision making.


The Illuminati spider controls the web and the web controls the people - until we stop acting like flies.

There are many more strands much closer to the spider then the Bilderberg Group. These include the Knights Templar, Knights of Malta, the Jesuits, Opus Dei, and the inner sanctum of Freemasonry. The closer you are to the spider, the unseen force and the Hidden Hand the public and most public figures never see, the more knowledge you have of the master plan. Thus, these are the most secretive groups of all and reserved only for the purest of the Illuminati bloodlines.

But is the Bilderberg Group significant to world events? You bet it is and I'll keep you up to date with details of this year's meeting as soon as I get them.
 
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d4v said:
Here the link to my video again - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3891535120990840079

I dident talk of the reptile race... it's all about the 5-sense aspect of the conspiracy.

Everything in that video is agreed upon by the most prestegious history professor of our time - Carrol Quigley.

There really is a "secret government" controlling the world. Fact.

I still say the sky is red, and im the most prestegious sky-color-teller! Fact.
 
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d4v said:
There really is a "secret government" controlling the world. Fact.
No, you see , thats where you are wrong, its not fact, its speculation. Of course you'll probably throw the ball back and say speculation is a word invented by the world goverment, but thats what separates the deeply religious from the normal people. Everything in your world (especially the denial of it and any argument against it) is a sign of this global empire, just like the banana is final proof that god exists to the fundementalist christian in that video. I see it as proof/result of evolution, because thats what I believe in.

When something happens we cant really explain or understand, people see it as confirmation that their religion/theory etc checks out.
 
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I suggest maybe get some... new impulses, different angles, one guy I'm really fond of, that really has alot of smart things to say about how we humans think and form religions and beliefs, is Douglas Adams, you might know him for Hitchhikers Guide, but he has also written/made speeches on some more serious stuff, check out this speech, which he did with no manuscript, it reveals much of his, and us humans in general, way of thinking..

Douglas Adams' speech at Digital Biota 2
 
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wait a minute, you are simply assuming that I am following some kind of religion or something when I'm absolutely not.

Saying the world is not run by a secret government is completely ridiculous.

Who owns the IMF, the World Bank, The UN and all the other international power groups? It's the Rothschild's and a bunch of Italian black nobility families. Head of UN - Cofi Annan - is a Bilderberger.

And anyone wohs done any research atall in to the US-based council on foreign realtions, the trilateral commission and the federal reserve knows that these 3 insitutions run the USA from behind the scenes.

CFR: headed by Rockefeller
Trilateral: headed by Rockefeller and Morgan
Federal Reserve: Owned by Rothschild, Windsor, Morgan, Rockefeller and many other black nobility families.

Together those 3 form Americas policy domestic and overseas.

And what controls UK? The Royal Insitute International Affairs does, along with Bilderberg Club and the Club of Rome.

Preisdents are mere puppets you idiots. How can Bush run the USA.... he couldent even run a corner shop. All his business ventures have gone bust, too.

How can you possibly not see that there are powers behind the governments which are really in control?

Ever heard the phrase "America is a corperation"? Well it actually means literally what it says.

America is run by the British crown. Look in to the Virginia company that was set up in AMericas early days and controlled everything within Americas borders. Guess what the Virgina company changed it's name to? The United States of America!

With this ammount of proof to back up a global conspiracy, you guys are stupid to ignore it.

Only useless eaters fit the facts to go in-line with their beleifs. Weak minded, useless eaters that will eventually shut the cell door on the whole human race.

I dont give a **** if this information smashes your current world view/beleifs to pieces. Facts are facts, agknowledge them or you will regret it.

It was the Round Table network that manipulated into place the League of Nations, later the United Nations, the European Union, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, World Trade Organisation, and the explosion of global groupings through which the world can be centrally controlled.


You see, how the hell can you ignore the blatent attempts at world government? How can you possibly not see that these guys are as powerful as I say? Nothing atall other than your pathetic attempts to cling onto your comfy safe zone of flawed beliefs. Paaaaathetic.
 
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Now wait a second.

You have not yet shown a single proof, but only speculations from yourself and one or two other highly dubious people.

Also, you still owe me one thing: A reason why this all should happen.

And you have not answered the following question: What are YOU as an enlightened person that obviously has escaped the borders of human mind to do about it?

Also, I fail to see what would be bad about a world governement, as long as I have the certain privileges I am accustomed to, like not worrying about what to eat the next day, being able to go freely wherever I want whenever I want, and being able to express my own personal opinions and believes without having to fear repression.

But then, after the photon storm in 2012, mr. quantum physics expert, the show should be over anyway, as the reptilians (and propably their crossbred offsprings, which could very well share the photon-allergy) are wiped out, aren't they?
 
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wait a minute, you are simply assuming that I am following some kind of religion or something when I'm absolutely not.

Alright I admit I said that as a bit of a troll, what I mean is that just like deeply religious people, you have your, evidence, and based on this evidence you, (or I guess David Icke, mostly) have reached this theory/conclusion To you, the shape of the whitehouse, or george bushes distant relatives from centuries ago, confirm the bloodline/illuminati.. I'm sure just about anyone could find they are related to some royalty or something way back.

Rich powerful people marry rich powerful people, its always been that way, Hollywood actors marry hollywood actors, trailerpark whitetrash marry.. well .. passing lorry drivers...

The point is, David Icke (and thus, probably you aswell) views this very common behaviour as "Desperate to Keep The Bloodline" when it comes to Bush and co.

This kind of thinking, and believe me Mr.Icke's speech is rank with it, is typical religious logic/thinking, which is why I called you religious.

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Saying the world is not run by a secret government is completely ridiculous.

No, its called "not your opinion"


d4v said:
Only useless eaters fit the facts to go in-line with their beleifs.

What about all the facts that speaks against the global conspiracy?, those were ofcourse fabricated to keep us all in the dark, right?, vague symbolism and bloodlines, now those are the real facts...

Its amazing how you cant see that this "picking the facts that fit" is excactly what you are doing.. guess you wont see it, now that Icke has "opened your mind.."
 
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the only reason u dont trust my sources is not becuase they arn't credible but becuase they are challening your flawed beliefs and so your going to say anything to dismiss them as dubious and uncredible so you can retreat back in to your comfy egg shell of ignorance.

For instance, how can Carrol Quigley be an "unreliable" source. He's an expert on modern history and he supports everything I've said, minus the reptiles, although he has mentioned the royals obsession with dragons and serpents, mind.

Besides, who needs him to prove this stuff? It is factualy history that these groups exist.
 
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man, its so funny, here we go again: "you are too coward to believe", "you are too dumb", "you are brainwashed"

Every time you lack proof or arguments, you fall back to those "arguments" above, well, or insulting.

I could give you "proof" (at least according to your definition of the word) that i got bad grades at uni because i wear the wrong clothes, or that i got my job because my great-great-grandfather was the brother of my boss' ancestor.

Well, or i could still proof the sky is red....

Sure, no one needs him to prove anything, a priest also doesnt need to prove god.

(ok, again, words are no proof, never been, never will. Nor is opinion)
 
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