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Lockdown, your oppinoin

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Lockdown, your oppinoin

  • I like it

    Votes: 110 17.2%

  • I hate it

    Votes: 260 40.6%

  • I don't care

    Votes: 40 6.2%

  • It needs changes

    Votes: 231 36.0%
  • Total voters
    641
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#82
Don't like lockdown, or, well, I understand having it for the first objective. So you don't have to spend 20 minutes getting mowed down/mowing people down if a situation like that arises, but after the first objective is taken I want no more lockdown. It makes the game way too rushy in my opinion. Sure, it's not a matter of seconds or anything, but I still feel you get too rushed. Just played grain-elevator where my team were tactically moving through the building, having intense fights in corridors and stairwells, and we were winning slowly but surely, but then the countdown timer ran out, because were weren't rushing, and that's a shame. The mission-timer is enough for anything other than the first objective, I mean, maps don't last that long even when you manage to avoid countdown victories/losses.
 
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#83
ppl just need to stop camping, unless they are sniper or lmg ..
.. and run for the objective..
if they are cowards just shoot them in the head with your sidearm, and explain why u did it .. some ppl understand ;)
gameplay > stats.
or have the lockdown timer way shorter ..so ppl will move their ***.. and get more time once u captured an objective ..
 
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#86
realninja said:
ppl just need to stop camping, unless they are sniper or lmg ..
.. and run for the objective..
if they are cowards just shoot them in the head with your sidearm, and explain why u did it .. some ppl understand ;)
gameplay > stats.
or have the lockdown timer way shorter ..so ppl will move their ***.. and get more time once u captured an objective ..
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Rushing and camping are two completely different things. Not everyone wants a game about running as quickly as you can into a certain area and try to stay alive in there. Some wants to approach it slowly and tactically, using surpressive fire etc. As a rifleman you can do a lot of damage holding back and taking out defenders, thereby helping your team. If you care that much about stats, attacking is a better options since you recieve a lot of points for capturing objectives.
 
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#88
John posted some of his thoughts in the SDK thread, which are quite interesting, so here it is.
(Well John, 0,01%? Really? Hehehehe. OK, lets only just take the rough 450 people who voted in this thread.
That would mean 4.5 Million players....I think RO2 sold good, but that number? ;))
Or should we take the 950 who voted in the Global Stats poll? 9.5 Million? Hrhrhrhr!

Nezzer said:
You can't deny that the lockdown feature was badly receive by the community, and if you want to please your customers, you can't keep such thing as it is right now.
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[TW]Ramm-Jaeger said:
Actually I can deny this :) One of the worse mistakes you can make as a designer (and I am assuming you're a designer if your hanging out in the level design forums) is to assume that "everyone" feels the same way as you do. A small but vocal group of people on a gaming forum does not constitute "everyone". We made this mistake back in the early RO days. There was a feature in the game (I can't remember what it was) but "everyone" on the forums said they wanted it changed. Every time there was a poll 90%+ of people would say that they wanted it changed. So we listened to "everyone" and changed it. Guess what happened. As it turns out the real "everyone" (as in the masses playing the game) actually liked it how it was ORIGINALLY before we changed it. There was outrage in the general RO community, and a rash of people coming to the forums to express that they loved the feature the way that it was, and wanted it changed back. As it turned out about 90% of the people playing the game liked it and didn't want it changed.

So what was the problem here? How could the forums have been so wrong? Two reasons:
1) The forums generally represent less than 1% of the playerbase in size (in the case of RO2 its probably less than 0.01%). In other words, way less than 1% of players ever even post on the forums, so you have an extremely small sample size.
2) Players almost NEVER go on to the forums to let you know that they like the status quo. You won't get a rash of people dropping in to say "you know what, I just wanted to say I love everything just the way it is". It is the nature of the internet the people usually go to the forums when they have something they want to gripe about, or have changed.

So what is a designer to do in this situation? How do you sort the minority gripes from the true problems? Well first off you have to be quick to listen, fast to investigate, but slow to change. What that means is listen to what the community are saying, investigate and get some good data, but let things ride for a little bit to see how they are truly going to flow out. It also means getting out there and playing the game with a lot of different people on a lot of different servers. If you always play the game with the same set of people, you'll always end up with similar results. So you have to jump around and test the waters.

A prime example of this was RO:Ostfront. When we first released it there were some maps that when it first came out were ALWAYS won by the same team. There were outcries on the forums about how unbalanced certain levels were. Then within a couple weeks of the launch as people learned the maps, what routes to take, where to go, etc the balance of some of these maps shifted completely in the opposite direction with no changes from the dev team. So to sum up on this point, sometimes the initial reaction from a group of players isn't the correct reaction, and as they learn the maps, gameplay, functionality, the balance or flow can change. So you have to be a little patient to see how things play out.

So with all of that said we are looking into some tweaks to countdown as in some cases it works great, and in other cases it is not working out as well as we intended. Anyone who ever spent an entire hour stuck on the first objective on Berazina in RO1 knows that a system like this was needed. It rewards the defenders for playing aggressively and forces the attackers out of their hidey holes eventually. But as I said, we're giving it a couple of weeks for people to get used to all the new gameplay mechanics before we start rashly changing things but there is likely some changes coming.

Finally, and most importantly, the great thing about an SDK is that the power is in YOUR hands now to experiment with all these things. Try taking lockdown out, adding features we didn't think of, tweaking values, etc. If one of you all make a mutator or mode that EVERYONE (the REAL everyone) just loves we'll probably adopt it as official :) So go forth and show us what you can do!
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#92
I think I rather like it. Found out yesterday (for the first time) that the attacking team doing team work increases the lockdown time. Clever stuff. Simultaneously it gives the defenders a bigger chance by not always having to deplete the enemy - can stop them by just fighting that much harder to cling on to that objective just long enough...
 
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#96
Lockdown(mode); A timer that effectively ends the game after 5 mins if the attackers (AKA Russians) dont run their *** through a killing field of no mans land to the obj in said time limit. Is often defended by people who dont know the difference of "camping" and approching with caution. usually confused with the map timer as they are practicly the same, but TW added it on top anyway.

used in a sentence
"thoses ruskies would have won the game if it wasnt for that Mother ****in lockdown timer!!"
 
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#97
It needs tweaks. I fully realise it's required to stop never ending camp fests and to perhaps get people moving.

I just think sometimes it comes in too early. It just should also be more clear what happens when the timer counts down. A lot of people seem oblivious to the fact your team is about to lose when the timer starts.

So how about making it bigger and in the same font as all the other on-screen objective capture messages. Then have a voice saying "YOU WILL LOSE IF YOU DON'T MOVE INTO THE OBJECTIVE ZONE!!!!!11". Or something along those lines.
 
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