New Class System, w/Weapon Re-distribution.

[Zoring]

I know there has been a couple of these threads already. But I also wanted to put forward my proposal into the crowded market. So apologies to the others. It's a lot to read but please do.

I have also included Alternative Native Class names. For when/if? we ever get 'native voices' like said. Current class names in order and their proposed changes: Commander, Squad Leader, Elite Rifleman, Elite Rifleman, Marksman, Machine Gunner, Assault, Anti-Tank, Engineer. With the addition of a new Class for access to the rare weaponry. Veteran unlocks are italicized

These changes may be unpopular with some people who are not concerned about Historical accuracy in these details, which is fine, in 'Relaxed Realism' mode the game can stay as it is.

German:
Platoon Leader/Zugf

 

[Grishnakh]

If, like you say, these positions are historically accurate then I think this is a great idea. Having more diversity when choosing a class is always good.

 

[Leo4444]

good idea i wish the devs had your way of thinking

 

[luciferintears]

This is amazing. +1

This way we wont be seeing thing like mp40/II and silenced revolvers all to often. Its also very authentic; something RO2 is lacking

Just curious, why does the german commander/squad leader get access to a ppsh?

 

[Zoring]

Well as a Veteran unlock it seems appropriate as the Germans were very fond of the PPSh41 and would make use of it were ever possible. A German officer fighting on the front-line with a bit of experience would probably be very happy to get a hold of one. Here is a famous photo of a German Oberleutnant with a PPSh41:

 

[luciferintears]

Well as a Veteran unlock it seems appropriate as the Germans were very fond of the PPSh41 and would make use of it were ever possible. A German officer fighting on the front-line with a bit of experience would probably be very happy to get a hold of one. Here is a famous photo of a German Oberleutnant with a PPSh41:

oh i see. thank you

thank guy looks badass lol looks like he's ready to f*** s*** up

 

[Leweegibo]

Great effort/write up there, think its a great idea

 

[Rrralphster]

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These changes may be unpopular with some people who are not concerned about Historical accuracy in these details, which is fine, in 'Relaxed Realism' mode the game can stay as it is.

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So you are concerned about historical accuracy but propose to have less Russian Assault class positions...

PTRS less accurate then a PTRD.

Seriously?

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

I don't care as long as there are changes made to severly limit those Hero weapon unlocks.

 

[Zoring]

Well the class limits i wrote up are of course map dependent and a guideline it could easily be more, but with the Commander, Squad Leaders, Assault and Engineers with the PPSh you have 7-8 soldiers out of 32 armed with a PPSh41 not a bad preportion historically for the early war period. If you had a map featuring or simulating the Tank Descent battalion you could happily have it 100% PPSh41 and i would be happy!

Also the PTRS would be less intrinsically accurate than a PTRD, a bolt action with no moving mechanical parts at firing is always more accurate than a semi-automatic weapon, even in AT Rifle preportions.

 

[Vyllis]

Man, it's like a piece of art
I support this idea with my mind and my heart !

That exactly how i imagined RO2 classes when they were announced some years ago.

 

[Rrralphster]

I don't care as long as there are changes made to severly limit those Hero weapon unlocks.

This I can agree with.



But...

Specially Zoring seems to lack knowledge about why Stalingrad was a turning point in the war.
Stalingrad was the first time the Russian high command (Stalin and Co.) gave their battlefield commanders the freedom to lead their armies as they saw fit.
Chuikov (yeah yeah, here he goes again... but I havn't seen any references that deny claims in those references...) saw the superiority of the Luftwaffe as a real threat, so he pushed his own lines as close as a grenades throw distance from the German lines. Germans lost their close airsupport because of this, too afraid to hit their own men.
He dropped the idea of fighting in "regular units" (divisions/companies etc.).
As opposed to German doctrine who still thought in "Kesselschlacht" with divisions/companies etc.
Also Hitler was giving orders how to take each housingblock from his Wolfsschanze in East Prussia.

It was a turningpoint because of the way war was waged.
Russian soldiers named Stalingrad "The Stalingrad streetfighting academy".

Now bring me some examples why there should be less assault classes available...

 

[Josef Nader]

Even if TWI doesn't implement this, someone needs to make a mutator.

I wouldn't play anything else.

 

[Nezzer]

That would be perfect Zoring :IS2:

 

[MSol_18]

Well pointed out and mathematically calculated to keep a correct proportion of every class on the battlefield. Good Job and thanks for your sensible argument.

 

[lucky-hendrix]

What would also work great with this , is that squads open up one after the other , to avoid that in a half full server people occupy the rifleman slots only in last resort.

 

[Princeps]

+1, perfect.

 

[Unus Offa Unus Nex]

I'd remove the M91/30 from the German marksman class since the real marksmen would've prefered the K98 anyway, and then add in the K98 with a 4x ZF39 scope, later upgradable to a 6x Ziesechs scope.

 

[Nicholas]

In real life the Germans focused more on big unit tactics and long range fighting, hence why they should have bigger squads in game and have much more ammo for the lmg's, but the Russians focused more on small unit tactics and close range fighting, hence why they should have smaller squads and more (and better) smg's , semi auto rifles, and grenades.

Also, just take out the MKB, AVT, and MP40/II etc and leave them for firefight mode, the only "rare" weapons in realism mode should be the G41 and C96, they were actually in the battle but in small numbers.

 

[Zoring]

I'd remove the M91/30 from the German marksman class since the real marksmen would've prefered the K98 anyway, and then add in the K98 with a 4x ZF39 scope, later upgradable to a 6x Ziesechs scope.

This is true, but since the Mn 91/30 was widely used by soldiers who wanted to become Snipers i thought it a decent option maybe the Mn 91/30 should be the first option and then you level up to the K98k! . I will addend the list from 'Scope' to the correct ZF39, i couldn't find the correct name.