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  • Spawning tanks further back.

    Right now I (and I hope many others feel) tanks are not done as okay as we'd hope. You can see for yourself that many servers turned tanks OFF due to various issues. I know TWI members acknowledged issues about AI tanking and such and that's sweet now we'll get that fixed ^__^

    But theres another thing, it's the importance of tanks. Right now they feel like they are giant pieces of infantry, that spawn with infantry, have the same respawn timer as infantry, and such. Once you kill a tank, it'll appear in less than 1 minute or so, making you (as the defending tank or AT rifle class) feel pretty much useless to your team cause you're just buying them time from the tank for just a minute, until the tank comes back and wrecks even more of your team.

    My solution to this is to move the tank spawns back further back than infantry spawn, and have tanks on their own seperate respawn time that is a tad longer than infantry respawns. I think in my opinion that it'll make tanks a bit more valuable and make it more rewarding when you destroy them, because it buys your team time to move in towards an objective and gives your team's tank more time to help clear the enemy infantry.

    There's not much else to it. I made a cute colorful diagram to explain it ^__^

    Last edited by Extension7; 04-25-2012, 06:45 PM.
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    Not allowing players to exit from a vehicle has had all sorts of knock-on effects for RO2, not the least of which being a tank respawning as quickly as a dead infantryman. Another knock-on effect is the artificial super-charging of all anti-tank rifles into anti-matter railguns to help combat this rapidly respawning rolling thunder. (Such things cheapen close infantry support armour in RO2.) There are arguments for and against locking players into their vehicles and I
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    • #3
      Originally posted by defektive View Post
      Not allowing players to exit from a vehicle has had all sorts of knock-on effects for RO2, not the least of which being a tank respawning as quickly as a dead infantryman. Another knock-on effect is the artificial super-charging of all anti-tank rifles into anti-matter railguns to help combat this rapidly respawning rolling thunder. (Such things cheapen close infantry support armour in RO2.)
      I think the power of the AT rifles has little to nothing to do with the exit or not of the tanks, given how the AT rifles were in RO1 also (tank realists always cried over too easy penetration in RO1 also).

      And as far as tanks on the same infantry respawn, I agree with both of you that is a problem. I think it probably is not a necessary effect of not being able to exit a tank, however. It's just a decision that needs tweaking.

      In conclusion I really don't think exiting tanks is the issue of the thread nor do I truly think it's what creates these issues, and for the OP, these are good ideas which others have also posted. Maybe TWI will take a hint about combined arms in some way, either limiting number of tanks respawns (I personally tend to prefer this solution, hypothetically), changing spawn points and/or increasing spawn times.
      Last edited by MarioBava; 04-26-2012, 12:15 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MarioBava View Post
        I think the power of the AT rifles has little to nothing to do with the exit or not of the tanks, given how the AT rifles were in RO1 also (tank realists always cried over too easy penetration in RO1 also).
        The AT rifles were much stronger in RO1. I remember a stretch of about 5 minutes in Leningrad where I took four shots and got four tank kills. While that's theoretically possible in RO2, it is vanishingly unlikely, while it was pretty easy in RO1 once you knew what to aim for. The only thing keeping it under control was the truly awful state of bipod weapon deployment in RO1.

        I favor the slower and limited respawn method too. Just moving spawns back isn't a hot idea because, for one, tanks can cross terrain fast enough that it doesn't achieve much, and for another, on some maps the tank spawn point is already about as far back as it can go.

        I'd move almost all of the infantry spawns on all maps back quite a bit, though.

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        • #5
          Would it be possible for a modder to make the ability to jump in and out of tanks. i don't care if there is an animation or not but if it were possible for players to enter and exit the tank i would have absolutely no problems with this game.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Catalavos View Post
            I'm pretty confident that the issues regarding tank spawn locations and re-spawn times will get taken care of by custom map makers. All of the settings, etc... for stuff like this can be manipulated in the SDK. I'm working on a combined-arms map now that (hopefully) will force tanks to act like tanks and not assault troops.

            So far the tank spawns are about 200-300 yards behind the infantry and the cap. zones are being set-up so that tanks can't get into them. I also plan to make the tank re-spawn times so unbearable that whomever takes the tank commander role will try very hard to stay alive.
            Good luck with getting anybody to play a map like that.
            Tankers are already stuck with bots that they don't want in their tanks,being unable to exit to save their lives when on fire or severely damaged,AT guns as powerfull as cruise missiles, and now you want to make a map with unbearably long spawn times,cap zones that can't be capped,and spawn points that are much further back.
            If you dislike tanks so much make it an infantry only map, and let the tankers enjoy the game instead of being hamstrung by stupid ideas.
            Last edited by Major_Day; 04-27-2012, 12:40 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Major_Day View Post
              Good luck with getting anybody to play a map like that.
              I would definately play that map!
              Longer tank respawns ftw. Ideally, we need a announcement when a new tank spawn is available, so tank crew men can play normal infantry while no tank is available.
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              Disapproving: progression, spawn on SL, spawns close to cap (RSOD)
              Since: beta 1.0 UT2003

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Catalavos View Post
                Basically you would die your last death as a tank crewman and have to change roles manually.
                Is that so bad? Then you can select whatever (non-tank) role you want, ie. you're not restricted to rifleman.
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                Disapproving: progression, spawn on SL, spawns close to cap (RSOD)
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