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Poll About Max Player Counts And Server Performance

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  • I voted to leave the 64 players alone.... that's all there is to say.

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    • I wish that rather than a blanket player limit, there could be some kind of runtime benchmark that tests the server's CPU capability, and sets the max players based on its abilities.

      There would have to be some validation activities to correlate benchmark results to server playercount activities, but I don't think it should be difficult. Once the validated tests are performed, it's just a matter of a simple lookup table...

      This way, if a server truly is capable, let it run 64 players. (I don't believe there is such a server today, but maybe once Intel's Haswell based Xeons are released we'll see one), but if a server is slow enough that that high of a player count would add significant latencies to the gameplay, then automatically reduce it.

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      • Guys, please just calm down. Let's not turn this thread into an argument between the same 2 or 3 people.

        Technically Mike, the majority voted to disable 64 player servers. Option 1 and 2 both voted to disable them, and combined they got more votes then leaving them alone.

        Anyway, if we had an option D: Mekhazzio's Anti-lag, then that would be the best. Everyone would be happy.

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        • definitely reduce the player counts to 50 for me

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          • Originally posted by Raneman View Post
            ...
            Anyway, if we had an option D: Mekhazzio's Anti-lag, then that would be the best. Everyone would be happy.
            Option D, in your opinion, definitely not mine

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            • Originally posted by Ducky View Post
              Reducing the max slots from 64 to 50 will also mean that less players can enter today's top servers. These days only a few servers have a constant head count of 64. If they have only 50 available slots, then players need to look for another server and in time they will find again a "favorite" one. The server owners benefit from this. More servers will have human players. Even so will it increase the chance that for instance east-coast players do find a by humans populated server with acceptable ping.
              THIS ^ is why i voted to reduce the max slots to 50.

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              • Originally posted by Raneman View Post
                Guys, please just calm down. Let's not turn this thread into an argument between the same 2 or 3 people.

                Technically Mike, the majority voted to disable 64 player servers. Option 1 and 2 both voted to disable them, and combined they got more votes then leaving them alone.

                Anyway, if we had an option D: Mekhazzio's Anti-lag, then that would be the best. Everyone would be happy.

                If this were a legit Vote/Poll/Election, I needn't say which choice would clearly win. Besides, the poll didn't say chose one or more. It allowed for only one vote per choice.

                Imagine if they combined all the candidates votes to team up against one other candidate... would that be fair?

                In any case, I voted to leave the 64 players alone but you raise an interesting point and yes, I agree with that.

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                • Originally posted by Mike_Nomad View Post
                  If this were a legit Vote/Poll/Election, I needn't say which choice would clearly win. Besides, the poll didn't say chose one or more. It allowed for only one vote per choice.
                  in germany option 1 and 2 would form a coalition to gain the majority and compromise on their (similar) goals.
                  as game development is not politics, this poll is clearly undecisive, i guess we will have to trust the judgment of the devs on that matter.
                  [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC][COLOR="Gray"][I] i7 3770K@4.3ghz; 8gb ddr3 1333; gtx770; 2x1TB hdd@raid0 + 128gb 830 SSD; win7 64bit[/I][/COLOR]

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                  • While I understand the hand-wringing over a successful free weekend, which is a big deal for this particular game, I personally think it is bad form to reduce features, especially for the sake of only 10 ms latency. 30-40ms is starting to seem significant, but 10?

                    I should say that again. This is purportedly for the sake of only 10 ms latency. I hate to say I think Mekhazzio is right the elephant in the room is hit detection for which 10ms is thought to be a significant enough improvement to the overall experience that cutting features is considered. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to play RO2 as it is with 0 latency.

                    Another elephant that only Ramm mentioned is client performance (fps). I can understand that a slight boost to fps for a first impression might be a hypothetically good idea. But again, it's cutting features for the sake of a slight gain.
                    My idea, probably not as simple as I think, is rather than enforced max player limits, for TWI to implement a "TWI recommended server" program/feature where servers can apply to be benchmarked for official "recommended" status ("recommended," of course, with the disclaimer that user experience may vary). Make a one character column in the server browser for the little medals/symbols (a star, or something like that) that will indicate recommended status so that players can sort the list by recommended status. You could also have an in-between status for "recommendation pending". For the free weekend, introduce a splash tooltip that recommends new players to the recommended servers and to choose one with the lowest ping for them. Servers that get awarded this status can also generally toot their own horn in their names/descriptions/welcome screen to attract players. TWI can even decide --for the free weekend-- to only recommend 50 player servers if they really don't feel comfortable.

                    Another idea: Maybe start a campaign appealing to sever admins to lower their max player count voluntarily on the free weekend. Tell them it's for the good of the community and therefore, ultimately, their server as well. And if they want to they are heartily encouraged to go back up to 64 after the free weekend.

                    Maybe limiting the max players is a good idea. It seems to be a popular one, if you combine the hard and the compromise options.

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                    • Originally posted by MarioBava View Post
                      I hate to say I think Mekhazzio is right the elephant in the room is hit detection for which 10ms is thought to be a significant enough improvement to the overall experience that cutting features is considered.
                      There is another option: Rather than ruminating over rolling back on one of RO2
                      [B][COLOR="White"]defekt[/COLOR][/B]

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                      • leave it as it is! suppose it does make a bit of sense but 64 players is why i enjoy this game so mcuh..

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                        • Originally posted by Mike_Nomad View Post
                          If this were a legit Vote/Poll/Election, I needn't say which choice would clearly win. Besides, the poll didn't say chose one or more. It allowed for only one vote per choice.

                          Imagine if they combined all the candidates votes to team up against one other candidate... would that be fair?

                          In any case, I voted to leave the 64 players alone but you raise an interesting point and yes, I agree with that.
                          They have this in New Zealand. It's called MMP!!

                          Me in cool either way, most severs here don't quite make it to 64 anyway.
                          Over 4 years and still can't get signatures to run!

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                          • Originally posted by defektive View Post
                            . Not being able to shoot straight is by far the loudest complaint then, and it probably will be so again after the free weekend, so why not tackle the problem directly instead of fannying around at the edges.
                            I agree, "hit detection" issues are a big turn off, whether understood properly or not. New players will think a great game just plain sucks if they perceive getting robbed out of every other hit, which will happen on a widespread basis regardless of 10ms here or there (I guess very very few people will be playing below 50 ms).

                            If it is indeed true that the anti-lag mutator's issues originate in more fundamental memory management problems, then sealing these cracks could hypothetically improve client-side performance in the bargain, am I wrong?

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                            • Originally posted by Raneman View Post
                              ---SNIP---
                              Anyway, if we had an option D: Mekhazzio's Anti-lag, then that would be the best. Everyone would be happy.
                              AFAIK, TWI did contact Mekhazzio about integrating the AntiLag mutator in RO2's code-base (see Mek's post about it here). Mek's mutator is an awesome thing, but it still will not solve problems with servers that are running with an overloaded CPU load. Sure you will have a better chance to hit the target, but also a higher chance that the server crashes due to the overloaded CPU. If a servers CPU is overloaded, then the server can give all kind of unstable behavior, from stutters to crashes. And that is what TWI is trying to prevent by reducing the number of slots to 50. I personally voted for ranked 50, unranked 64. Just for the sake to get more stable servers and 2nd but not least to get the player base spread over more servers as I said before.
                              TWB*BlueDuck

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                              • While I enjoy and have no problems on the main 64 player US server. I voted for 50 players it would make the game more stable for alot of people.Also as a long time RO fan im all for getting new players in and things that will help keep them.I think a more stable gameplay experience would do that the game has alot to offer the fps fan looking for a change from arcade shooters.

                                As for the drop in numbers making the game less awesome.I don't think that would be the case.Its more about how awesome the teams are than the numbers.The most fun I have had in RO2 to date is small clan scrims or bloodbath type matches.

                                Either way I will still play and have fun.Just trying to look at the big picture here.

                                "Its easier to find men to die than to suffer the patience of war" Caesar

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