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  • Am I correct in thinking that the only reason Hunter isn't here and working on/posting his mods is because he is recovering from surgery? Where the heck has all this "TWI offer no support to their mod community, and thats why Hunter left" stuff come from?

    TWI give more support to their mod community than almost any other game company out there, for example if you look at Red Orchestra 2 they recruited the best modders from their community for a joint project to build almost an entire new game onto RO.

    The big problem TWI have is they are only a small company. They don't have hundreds of employees on their payroll to handle every little issue and request that people come out with. Game developers have some of the biggest work loads of all careers, second maybe to doctors. Long hours, late nights, few days off, its not uncommon for them to have to work 60-70 hours a week to meet a deadline. Thats just the way the industry is.

    How do you think character packs are made? Just whipped up on Paint and bunged into the game? There is way more to it than that. Time and effort has to be put aside in order to develope these new character skins. Once they are complete it is straight onto the next plan of the business to generate money. Given the amount of stuff they have given us just on KF alone, evewn when ignoring all the work they have done on RO2, it is pretty clear that they have alot on their plate.

    So to sit there in your PC chair merrily spending your time browsing a forum for your own amusement, berating TWI for something that simply isn't their fault, nor has anything really to do with them, is a tad off. Especially when they have done way more for us (the client) than the likes of many mainstream developers such as EA, THQ, or Microsoft.

    At the end of the day it isn't TWI's job to settle petty squabbles between people.
    Last edited by Undedd Jester; 04-17-2012, 09:03 PM.


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    • Originally posted by Undedd Jester View Post
      Am I correct in thinking that the only reason Hunter isn't here and working on/posting his mods is because he is recovering from surgery? Where the heck has all this "TWI offer no support to their mod community, and thats why Hunter left" stuff come from?
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      No one knows why he really left. He never really gave a real reason. Its all speculation.


      Originally posted by Undedd Jester View Post
      TWI give more support to their mod community than almost any other game company out there, for example if you look at Red Orchestra 2 they recruited the best modders from their community for a joint project to build almost an entire new game onto RO.
      If thats true, then thats quite comical. TWI get a load of modders to do the hard work and then cash in on it for themselves. Yeah real noble.


      Originally posted by Undedd Jester View Post
      The big problem TWI have is they are only a small company. They don't have hundreds of employees on their payroll to handle every little issue and request that people come out with. Game developers have some of the biggest work loads of all careers, second maybe to doctors. Long hours, late nights, few days off, its not uncommon for them to have to work 60-70 hours a week to meet a deadline. Thats just the way the industry is.
      The big problem TWI have is they're being fueled like every other company are being fueled. Greed. They dont give two fig rolls. If you stopped giving them money, they'd drop you in a hearbeat. As for comparing a game developer to a doctor... no... just no.


      Originally posted by Undedd Jester View Post
      So to sit there in your PC chair while you merrily spend your time browsing a forum for your own amusement, berating TWI for something that simply isn't their fault, nor has anything really to do with them, is a tad off. Especially when they have done way more for us (the client) than the likes of many mainstream developers such as EA, THQ, or Microsoft.
      Well... as a common trend in these forums, I'm gunna say its my own opinion and then that should just be that. As if you say that, you get auto free'd from any consequences. But no... I made a theory based on Hunters motives. I dont think it was out of line, it was pretty damn good if i'm honest.

      TWI are small, they need the clients more than EA do. But dont be taken in by a few character packs here and there. TWI will cut this community loose if it stops making them money. Simple as that.

      I dont know what their marketing strategy is, but its poor at best at this stage.

      They boast about KF selling a million copies. They should look and see what made KF sell a million copies. I'll put my 100 down it aint because of TWI's kind hearted contributions.

      They should take a leaf out of TGNs book. When it was TBF, all the proper mods got pride of place on their front page. It gave something back to the modders. Abit of recognition. What do TWI give to modders? Nothing unless they can bank some cash off of it.
      Last edited by WaloWizard; 04-17-2012, 09:04 PM.

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      • Quote war. Yay.




        Originally posted by WaloWizard View Post
        No one knows why he really left. He never really gave a real reason. Its all speculation.
        So your immediate assumption is he blames TWI? Not the people who cut his mods down? I'm not protecting anyone, I just don't understand why you have this "Up yours TWI attitude". You are basing your arguement on water thin evidence.

        If thats true, then thats quite comical. TWI get a load of modders to do the hard work and then cash in on it for themselves. Yeah real noble.
        Do some research. Darkest Hour and Mare Nostrum were 2 huge mods for Red Orchestra 1, and they were both released free to add onto the game.

        For RO2 they tried a new experiement where their "mod" team were to make a mod. I quote Ramm almost exactly here "If it is a mod of really good quality, we'll take it in house, polish it up and release it as a new expansion to the game. If its only kinda good, we'll simply release it as a free mod." Whether or not the mod team would get a share of the profits wasn't the base of the converstaion so I don't know one way or the other. However given the rewards they have given out for other modders I'd assume the modders would get a share.

        Greed. They dont give two fig rolls. If you stopped giving them money, they'd drop you in a hearbeat.
        Well I don't know where you are getting that from. Red Orchestra got tonnes of free updates for 5 years. Killng Floor has had 3 major updates for free across 3 years, with a new perk, over half a dozen new maps, double the weapon count, a beta where they actively involved the community to help the games balance, how much stuff do you actually want for free? Furthermore I'd hardly call
        Last edited by Undedd Jester; 04-17-2012, 09:42 PM.


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        • Jester is right - TWI is a company - YEA THEY NEED TO MAKE MONEY.
          but they cough up content like crazy compared to most developers. Look at any EA/Activision release in comparison - KF releases several guns and some zed skins for free, along with awesom char packs for a pittance. EA charges 5$ for some cars in Need for Speed...

          And developers put in hours. alot of hours. deadlines are a b***h, and because of the amount of hype put in, you can't delay without major PR faceloss, and you can't release anything but the best because people complain about "beta" releases...

          Walo... So far your pointing fingers EVERYWHERE taking a very Knightly tone... SMIFF annoys the hell outta me. But you just as much. And while i'd love hunter to come back or release his stuff, the mod "industry" "hobby" whatever is a objective one - people comment, and its not always nice. If you can't take it, don't subject yourself to it.

          The thing I don't get is why trolls are so successful in forums - its the honest criticism that should be hard to take, no the stupid trashtalk...
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          • I'm just going to step and and say this conversation needs to be defused immediately. Gregs already handed out the warning, there are mods still around and trash talk is not going to be accepted. Any "Speculation" perhaps should be discussed in a new thread or via private message. After all, Hunter is recovering from surgery, the least we can do is give his thread some respect instead of blowing it up with an argument war.

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            • Originally posted by slavek View Post
              I'm just going to step and and say this conversation needs to be defused immediately. Gregs already handed out the warning, there are mods still around and trash talk is not going to be accepted. Any "Speculation" perhaps should be discussed in a new thread or via private message. After all, Hunter is recovering from surgery, the least we can do is give his thread some respect instead of blowing it up with an argument war.
              I think this covers up everything

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              • just to clear that up - he is likely still not 100%, but he was gone for months recovering... you don't get to claim recovery at this point unless its like, brain damage or paralysis - he decided he wanted to be done with this community, a good portion of that decision, as he vocalized, was him being fed up with underapreciation and poor community.
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                • Thread locked. I'm keeping a close eye on who's stirring things up around here, next i'll be handing out infractions/bans.

                  I'm all for healthy discussions, it's just sad to see that some people can't let things go and continue to dig, trying to get a rise out of individuals.

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