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  • #16
    Originally posted by BenioX View Post
    But here is one major problem - on Normal, if I get lag, I get swarmed BUT I can get out of the situation alive most likely. At Suicidal/HoE if I lag even with just 1 clot being around, I mostly end up dead or with max 10 hp left.
    Oh yea, I was talking about myself and my experiences (without an unfortunote computer/net connection). But yea, occassionally I lag as well, and unless you're camping and being covered by someone, a lag of more than a second or so pretty much means you're dead on suicidal/HoE (and your team is about to die if you're unlucky or in a vital role).
    Favourite classes: Sharp/support/demo (not a stupid demo don't worry).
    I don't like medics.
    Mostly play on HoE thesedays.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Undedd Jester View Post
      This is gonna sound very bad off the bat, but honestly bear with me.

      Generally I don't like playing with French people, not just in KF, but in any game I've ever played, however its not because I dislike the French or anything. Quite simply French gamers are... odd... for lack of a better word.

      I can't really explain it very well in KF terms, so I'll try and explain it in other games. Essentially French gamers are typically very anti logical, but have alot of skill. It is very, very hard to predict what they are gonna do, both playing with them and playing against them.

      Take Counter Strike as an example. French players wander around with next to no strategy, but also no fear. Take a situation something like my team will get 2 kills on one bombsite and are clearly pushing it. Any logical player would rotate back to that bombsite while the remainder of their team waits for the back up to all push as a team... not French players. Instead they will go insanely aggressive and push out into the opposing team going for as many kills before he dies as possible... but they don't even flash or smoke or pre-nade iranything, they just run in. It's such a daft suicidal move that alot of the time you aren't expecting it, so you get caught off guard.

      Its not just CS, it's in every game I play with them. It's like something engrained in their gaming culture, they are always just incredibly "keen". Britons on the other hand tend to be very tactical, always preferring to take their time, and out think their opponents. Tactics however are useless when your enemy is just so damned illogical that you can't anticipate them
      You just described my french friend vs me in absolute perfection.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Althamus View Post
        Oh yea, I was talking about myself and my experiences (without an unfortunote computer/net connection). But yea, occassionally I lag as well, and unless you're camping and being covered by someone, a lag of more than a second or so pretty much means you're dead on suicidal/HoE (and your team is about to die if you're unlucky or in a vital role).
        A second is barely any close to how long my lags are. Sometimes they take 5 seconds, sometimes even 15-30 seconds. Most awkward is though when I have iPod connected cuz my cable is a bit broken so occasionally PC sees it as plugged in and out then back in really quick so PC gets additional lag for a while. Not to mention that mostly when I lag I auto-walk in direction which I went before lag, and if I used auto-weapon it spammed it if I clicked it before lag. Add to it fact that if I throw nades while lag most likely next message I see after lag ends is "You blew up"

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Althamus View Post
          there're still bad players on suicidal or HoE, but they tend to be a lot rarer.
          Yeah, but they are even more terrible than the Normal diff noobs. One time I joined after wave 8 sui ice breaker, and I went medic. I was lvl 5 so I haven't any gun instead of the handcannon which spawn every wave near "the spot". One of the guys was decent player but the rest were awful. I found me and the other guy dealing with the scrs and the fps, but my armor went out really fast because of all this tanking. So I stepped back and just started to heal the others. But I was called noob and they asked me why I am not killing the scrs and the fps, because you see this is what my job is (oO). Then near the middle of the wave these bastards died and so do I because my HC ran out of ammo and I found myself between scr and fp without armor. Then in the chat they blamed me for their deaths because I didn't managed to keep all of them alive and in the same time I didn't killed scrs and fps..... I find myself very often among players who dont know how to play their class. In the time I have build my dream team of some kind. In every game I meet some good player I become a friend with him and add him in steam friends so we can play together. So I join in my friends' games where they are with their friends and we are only good players with pretty decent win ratio (I mean wins in row on sui/hoe). But they stopped playing KF for some reason, the rest of us who are still playing are doing it very rarely because of the douchebags and noobs in the high diff servers. The player base is not what it used to be anymore. Most of the good players are playing only with friends/clans and the servers are populated with trash and kids. I hope that the new KF stuff coming this year will bring the good players back
          "If I had lvl 25 Sharp Shooter and lvl 25 SWAT, we could rule HoE." - Anton Strasser

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Rattler View Post
            The player base is not what it used to be anymore. Most of the good players are playing only with friends/clans and the servers are populated with trash and kids. I hope that the new KF stuff coming this year will bring the good players back
            I agree on that except from KF stuff coming this year bringing good players back. If anything - it'll bring more newcomers, lvl 0s to HoE servers and such like it was during Christmas time. Fear the day of lvl 0s, that'd be when all good players most likely will stop playing for a bit to wait for when there are less "newbs".

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            • #21
              lol

              I have only read the title.
              I am from Poland and I see a ****LOAD of noobs from Poland. A disastrous torrent of morons comes Russia as well. I have only met 2 good Russian players. I see noobs from UK, NL, Germany, Spain, Portugal.... and rest of the world.

              French? XJ5, BLOOD SCOURGE, GRIPPY - man, these guys are real beasts at KF. If I were to choose You or them, then I wanna be French from now on.

              Noobs, newbies and less skilled are everywhere. Don't mock French in general, seriously, please?
              Last edited by swenor27; 04-26-2012, 09:19 PM.
              FRAG'EM ALL

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              • #22
                Originally posted by swenor27 View Post
                I have only read the title.
                I realised.
                Originally posted by swenor27 View Post
                I have only read the title.
                I am from Poland and I see a ****LOAD of noobs from Poland.
                I am from Poland too and I do agree with you, although not noobs are the thing I can see among Polish people being the biggest pain, but players who go like "stop cursing or ban" or "I am so pro omgwtf" then die, or when you play as medic with crossbow they are mad at you for "not sticking to your perk" and pretty much gameplay gets stiff and boring.
                Originally posted by swenor27 View Post
                Noobs, newbies and less skilled are everywhere. Don't mock French in general, seriously, please.
                Well, as you said, you read only the title, so I am not surprised you said that. Read before you post

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                • #23
                  read whole post

                  I read the whole post, slowly, what I wrote applies... still.
                  Keep in mind one thing - I was nub too, You were too, many good players were nubs too, and finally - You were just unlucky that day, and that's it.
                  Have fun anyway.
                  Last edited by swenor27; 04-26-2012, 08:48 PM.
                  FRAG'EM ALL

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by swenor27 View Post
                    keep in mind one thing - i was nub too, You were too, many good players were nubs too
                    Eh, I think there's a difference between being a noob and a newb.

                    Everyone had a point at which they weren't any good at playing KF or FPSs. I'd argue that not everyone had a point at which they would insult other players out of ignorance, or deliberately worked to kill their team out of spite.
                    Favourite classes: Sharp/support/demo (not a stupid demo don't worry).
                    I don't like medics.
                    Mostly play on HoE thesedays.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by swenor27 View Post
                      i read the whole post, slowly, what i wrote applies... still
                      keep in mind one thing - i was nub too, You were too, many good players were nubs too
                      and finally - You were just unlucky that day, and that's it
                      have fun anyway
                      The thing is not about if they were noobs or not. That's totally different thing to be a noob who wants to learn how to play, and to be a total jerk griefers who act childish and insult others for being better than they are. As I said - I don't mind nationality, I mind the behavior, I mind the way they acted like, and I am pretty sure it's not just that they are "nub", it's that they are harsh right-where-spine-ends-holes.

                      Also, it's not just that I am unlucky which is the important thing here, but the fact such players who ACT like this are making KF a joke. What if someone just bought KF, joined the server instead of me, and got treated the same way? Most likely, different person in the same situation would not even play this long with them - would ragequit and very likely thing is they'd not play KF for very long time, then come back and see if they got right feeling about KF and most likely see it from the brighter way.

                      Of course, that is true that NOT all players are like that, and that it's not a huge deal, YET something like that NEVER should have taken place, like griefing at FF servers, like Vote-kicking on-sight, like mic-spamming. That makes KF not so enjoyable as it could be. I sometimes rather play with lvl 0s and explain to them how to play, give them money and guns, help them lvl up, instead of play with some teams like the French one. Anytime I am in game with such players, I am thinking: why does KF community have them? Do other communities have as many of them? What does KF have to atract those? For example Trader blockers, what atracts them is lack of Anit-Blocker mut. For some reason though not every server runs Anti-Blocker, and that is one of reasons and maybe the only reason why they exist. So now back to my point - what atract THIS kind of people I just played with? How to get rid of them? Should we get rid of them? Sure, everyone was a noob, but not everyone behave like *insert insult here*.

                      Originally posted by Althamus View Post
                      Eh, I think there's a difference between being a noob and a newb.

                      Everyone had a point at which they weren't any good at playing KF or FPSs. I'd argue that not everyone had a point at which they would insult other players out of ignorance, or deliberately worked to kill their team out of spite.
                      There is a major difference between noob and newb.

                      Noob = Someone who plays totally dumb, no matter how much he played, how much experienced, he'll never learn from mistakes. They, very often, play the game wrong way, for example instead of helping team in a co-op game they do everything for the team to loose, doesn't listen to tips from others and behaves like an *insert insult here*.
                      Newb = A newcommer, "Newbie", someone who still learns the rules and tries to come along. Better than a noob in many ways - Newb can learn from mistakes unlike noob, mostly after playing longer can be a good player unlike a noob. Also, newbs, unlike noobs, don't grief intentionally (most likely at least).
                      Last edited by BenioX; 04-26-2012, 08:00 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Althamus
                        Yes, You have a point, I apologize to those I called nubs/noobs, but You (me too) were all newbies to this game

                        Beniox
                        Play with friends man, or avoid childish players, in end You can always play solo.
                        People are mean. People just want to shoot stuff, they don’t know the game, they don’t care, they rage bigs, waste ammo, go solo, they do all they crazy nonsense stupid stuff.
                        I don’t play on public servers as often as I used to. I do pop in one of them every now and then, but very often I see people play quite risky game. There are jerks, but what will You do?

                        My story now:
                        2 ago I played a fun hard game solo on biohazard - on wave 4 a guy joined, next wave another joins? AA spam guys, this is only hard. They were scared, but they listened. They were newbies, but they listened. We won. Next map, I told them what to do - they listened, long story short - we won easily. Next map - same 2 guys and me, and then in the middle of the game 2 new guys join - they all listened. Great game. Don’t fret! It is hard only. On wave 7 a guy named Bocor joins, and this is best thing I have ever seen - simple but amazing, the guy kept supporting us as zerk - he would kite stuff outside, escort any late joiner, give dosh, escort late joiner, kite bigs away so we make it to trader. It sounds trivial, but I have never seen someone to be such a good soul with such will to help newbies (the guy turned out to be amazingly skilled player - a real professional - skilled with manners).

                        Point? I was lucky that day - out of last 15 days, this was the only day I had fun on hard game mode. on the contrary You were unlucky.
                        Real life is a *****, and so is life in the game.
                        Last edited by swenor27; 04-26-2012, 08:41 PM.
                        FRAG'EM ALL

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                        • #27
                          Spoiler!

                          I understand your point man and you know, you still missed the point a bit.
                          There are jerks, yes. But there are things which make them be jerks and there are things which atract them to be jerks. Like lack of Anti-blocker adds them courage to block trader. You get the point?
                          Now, what makes them call other players "noobs" while they die and what makes them grief like that? That is what I want to get answers for, maybe solution as well. Playing solo or with friends is not quite what I like. I know it sounds stupid, but I love playing with low lvl players and support them, as you said before, you loved that zerker who supported team. That is exactly what I love doing as well as that zerker. But once for a while I want to play my favourite maps just to relax a bit, and I find only 1 game with a ping which is acceptable, and it turns out that it's infested by imbeciles who love to destroy the fun. Why I stayed there? Mostly to show them how miserable they are. But then, stupid never knows about own stupidity. Even if you shove them knowledge to their tiny brain, it'll refuse to take it and will turn against you. And that is the lesson I got from the day. So, why did I not just quit?
                          Basically, they destroyed my mood, so to get my good mood back I had to revenge, and they were so miserable with their attempts to be even more evil, they acted like a mouse trapped in cage insulting the one who has power over it and thinking that it can escape anytime and strike. What made it even more fun to me was that I could share experience with others, and maybe find solution against such people and make the KF better (I know I know, I just keep dreaming and I want to be a hero, yada yada, I am not a hero, that's my duty and so on blah blah).

                          Now, back to the point - is there any solution OTHER than playing solo or with friends? Is there any solution which makes playing with random players more enjoyable? Is there a way to keep those people like those assholes away from the servers? (Just don't suggest making own one, in KF it's not that easy, I tried).

                          EDIT: Also, I'd love to point out KF is CO-OP, so playing SOLO doesn't make it as enjoyable.
                          Last edited by BenioX; 04-26-2012, 08:34 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BenioX View Post
                            There is a major difference between noob and newb.

                            Noob = Someone who plays totally dumb, no matter how much he played, how much experienced, he'll never learn from mistakes. They, very often, play the game wrong way, for example instead of helping team in a co-op game they do everything for the team to loose, doesn't listen to tips from others and behaves like an *insert insult here*.
                            Newb = A newcommer, "Newbie", someone who still learns the rules and tries to come along. Better than a noob in many ways - Newb can learn from mistakes unlike noob, mostly after playing longer can be a good player unlike a noob. Also, newbs, unlike noobs, don't grief intentionally (most likely at least).
                            Yes, there is. You are correct. I apologize. Lesson learned.

                            Originally posted by BenioX View Post
                            I understand your point man and you know, you still missed the point a bit.
                            There are jerks, yes. But there are things which make them be jerks and there are things which atract them to be jerks. Like lack of Anti-blocker adds them courage to block trader. You get the point?
                            I do. They are jerks, because they have an excellent opportunity. Some people are spiteful by nature.

                            Originally posted by BenioX View Post
                            Now, what makes them call other players "noobs" while they die and what makes them grief like that? That is what I want to get answers for, maybe solution as well.
                            RAGE. They died, You didn't.

                            Originally posted by BenioX View Post
                            I know it sounds stupid, but I love playing with low lvl players and support them.
                            It does not sound stupid to me. It is a fantastic feeling when You lead scared guys to victory - I LOVE IT (as long as they listen haha).

                            Originally posted by BenioX View Post
                            Why I stayed there? Mostly to show them how miserable they are. But then, stupid never knows about own stupidity. Even if you shove them knowledge to their tiny brain, it'll refuse to take it and will turn against you. And that is the lesson I got from the day. So, why did I not just quit?
                            Basically, they destroyed my mood, so to get my good mood back I had to revenge, and they were so miserable with their attempts to be even more evil, they acted like a mouse trapped in cage insulting the one who has power over it and thinking that it can escape anytime and strike. What made it even more fun to me was that I could share experience with others, and maybe find solution against such people and make the KF better (I know I know, I just keep dreaming and I want to be a hero, yada yada, I am not a hero, that's my duty and so on blah blah).
                            No point in staying. You will achieve nothing that way. They had already refused to be helped.

                            Originally posted by BenioX View Post
                            Now, back to the point - is there any solution OTHER than playing solo or with friends? Is there any solution which makes playing with random players more enjoyable? Is there a way to keep those people like those assholes away from the servers? (Just don't suggest making own one, in KF it's not that easy, I tried).
                            You can only count on luck. You can vote kick. You cannot make them listen, You can only try to help them. Some will listen. Some will not e.g. "Frack off, I don't care what you say, i'm gonna shoot zombies."

                            It is not possible to travel faster than light.
                            Last edited by swenor27; 04-26-2012, 09:20 PM.
                            FRAG'EM ALL

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                            • #29
                              I am in Australia and i prefer to play on asian servers SG or JP, reason is because there are practically no griefers, name callers or asshats. Sometimes i find myself with a team full of newbs and we wipe on wave 8/9, but hey i'm good with that since rarely does anyone spit the dummy and in the scenario that they do they tend to face a majority kick vote pretty much instantly.

                              An example was a match where 2 fp are approaching from one side on mountain pass at the usual camping spot, i backpeddle back to main group, the player next to me a hero support decides to take em on, he goes down (go figures), group kills fp's, the support then decides to rages at me for not helping him kill the fp's, other players tell him to shut it, he does. Come next wave, he dies to early fp, he rages at fp. As we're progressing thru the wave I decide to switch to bullpup to train hip headshots while circle strafing a bunch of zed, outta no where the dead support decides to mock me for not being able to aim...next thing i know 3 vote kicks were placed instantly against him without me doing anything. I was pretty much the last person to initiate the vote kick.

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                              • #30
                                at odd times in the night (pacific time), my FF servers get tons of french tkers.
                                the other 40 non-ff servers i'm not sure if french ppl are on cause i only play on the ff ones (there's 5 of them).


                                sorry if this didnt have anything to do with the thread, i didnt read anything but the title.
                                Last edited by ro_sauce; 04-27-2012, 01:55 AM.

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